Chip?
#51
02-24-2010, 12:05 PM
Diesel Bomber
Lots have cold air intakes... And most had a 4" exhaust...
Whats the first mod most people do to there trucks... hummm Exhaust and intake... Duh.
Whats the one thing people change that changes everything about how a motor runs...
TUNING!
Black, blue, gray CPS... Doesnt matter, none of them effect timing more then a few degree's one way or another.
203* stat... You do know that the EOT tables are more or less flat from 150 on... So that blows that out of the water.
You are correct, just because it had a DP tuner on it does not mean that DP tuner caused it to blow up... But when you see truck after truck, motor after motor going and there is one thing in common with them all (or a good bit of them)... Most people stop and go... hummmmmmmmmmmmmm
Others just put there blinders on and go
and say "thats the way a diesel should sound 
#52
02-24-2010, 02:25 PM
Because there is only one thing that causes the star pattern to be as large as it is in my pictures, and in Big Strokers to a lesser extent. That is advanced timing. There is only one thing that tells the injector when to start spraying. The PCM.
The graphs I posted show timing/RPM...
The first one shows a stock PCM cal vs a DP 80e
Second one shows a stock PCM vs a PHP 80e
I blew up my first motor... My fault 100%
Fact remains there are guys running DP tuning at 400-450hp who window a block, then stick a new motor in and within weeks do it all over again, then go to a CR 5.9...
Or there are guys running 600-700hp on stock Ford Forged motors everyday and having no issues...
The graphs I posted show timing/RPM...
The first one shows a stock PCM cal vs a DP 80e
Second one shows a stock PCM vs a PHP 80e
I blew up my first motor... My fault 100%
Fact remains there are guys running DP tuning at 400-450hp who window a block, then stick a new motor in and within weeks do it all over again, then go to a CR 5.9...
Or there are guys running 600-700hp on stock Ford Forged motors everyday and having no issues...
If some one windows two blocks in a row with the same tuner,that STILL doesn't mean the tuner is at fault no matter who he is. Variances in engine build, materials, voids in components and driver error all partake in the fault.
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Lots have cold air intakes... And most had a 4" exhaust...
Whats the first mod most people do to there trucks... hummm Exhaust and intake... Duh.
Whats the one thing people change that changes everything about how a motor runs...
TUNING!
Black, blue, gray CPS... Doesnt matter, none of them effect timing more then a few degree's one way or another.
203* stat... You do know that the EOT tables are more or less flat from 150 on... So that blows that out of the water.
You are correct, just because it had a DP tuner on it does not mean that DP tuner caused it to blow up... But when you see truck after truck, motor after motor going and there is one thing in common with them all (or a good bit of them)... Most people stop and go... hummmmmmmmmmmmmm
Others just put there blinders on and go and say "thats the way a diesel should sound
Whats the first mod most people do to there trucks... hummm Exhaust and intake... Duh.
Whats the one thing people change that changes everything about how a motor runs...
TUNING!
Black, blue, gray CPS... Doesnt matter, none of them effect timing more then a few degree's one way or another.
203* stat... You do know that the EOT tables are more or less flat from 150 on... So that blows that out of the water.
You are correct, just because it had a DP tuner on it does not mean that DP tuner caused it to blow up... But when you see truck after truck, motor after motor going and there is one thing in common with them all (or a good bit of them)... Most people stop and go... hummmmmmmmmmmmmm
Others just put there blinders on and go
and say "thats the way a diesel should sound 
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BTW CSIPSD, How do you know so much about what timing is programmed into DP Tuner's tunes? Is there a scan tool or software a regular Joe can buy that analyzes that? Does it work on all brands of programmers and chips?
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#53
02-24-2010, 03:36 PM
Diesel Bomber
There's too much here to debate without making it super difficult to read so I'll just say anyone who mods their truck/car accelerates the longevity clock for the engine and trans. Tuning enhances what is in the engine and sometimes engines let go. Sometimes engines let go all stock as well.
I agree 100% with what you say... You are correct in every respect. However, and lets put this in another way...
You go to the DR for a knee problem, DR says I can fix you right up. Then you go check on how his history is and it shows several failed surgerys or bad recovery issues, are you going to go to that DR? Or are you going to look around a little? Maybe he is the best in the knee busness, but if you did not have that information to make that informed choice you would not know.
If some one windows two blocks in a row with the same tuner,that STILL doesn't mean the tuner is at fault no matter who he is. Variances in engine build, materials, voids in components and driver error all partake in the fault.
Again, I agree... But when that same person drops in a Built to the hilt motor and again uses that same tuner and the motor starts puking, then switchs to another tuner and the puking goes away... Ya start to see a pattern...
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It is one thing to say hmmmmmmmmmmm, but quite another to bash the HELL out of a tuner on circumstantial evidence. So many variables play into engine failure that it s impossible to 100% point blame in any one area unless there's a detailed study of metalurgy and in fact a common engine component failed in each and every failure. That is just for good ethical blame discussion. If you want to get legal about it, there are far more dangers of supposition in play here. In fact, did you know a suit could be filed against a person/a forum/a vendor (or all) for slamming a vendor's reputation without just cause? This is a sticky area as I have been on the beaten end of the stick before on forums similar to this and won a few suits. Be careful. If you don't have direct evidence and a gross following (more than 49, more like 500-1000) of those who also have a direct (and I mean direct, plausible, repeatable evidence of failure) then you are taking a huge chance on a legal battle. The law is there to protect individuals and companies and in this economy, if a company is threatened, judges tend to find for the defense.
LOL... I am not one bit worried about any paperwork coming my way...
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BTW CSIPSD, How do you know so much about what timing is programmed into DP Tuner's tunes? Is there a scan tool or software a regular Joe can buy that analyzes that? Does it work on all brands of programmers and chips?
I agree 100% with what you say... You are correct in every respect. However, and lets put this in another way...
You go to the DR for a knee problem, DR says I can fix you right up. Then you go check on how his history is and it shows several failed surgerys or bad recovery issues, are you going to go to that DR? Or are you going to look around a little? Maybe he is the best in the knee busness, but if you did not have that information to make that informed choice you would not know.
If some one windows two blocks in a row with the same tuner,that STILL doesn't mean the tuner is at fault no matter who he is. Variances in engine build, materials, voids in components and driver error all partake in the fault.
Again, I agree... But when that same person drops in a Built to the hilt motor and again uses that same tuner and the motor starts puking, then switchs to another tuner and the puking goes away... Ya start to see a pattern...
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It is one thing to say hmmmmmmmmmmm, but quite another to bash the HELL out of a tuner on circumstantial evidence. So many variables play into engine failure that it s impossible to 100% point blame in any one area unless there's a detailed study of metalurgy and in fact a common engine component failed in each and every failure. That is just for good ethical blame discussion. If you want to get legal about it, there are far more dangers of supposition in play here. In fact, did you know a suit could be filed against a person/a forum/a vendor (or all) for slamming a vendor's reputation without just cause? This is a sticky area as I have been on the beaten end of the stick before on forums similar to this and won a few suits. Be careful. If you don't have direct evidence and a gross following (more than 49, more like 500-1000) of those who also have a direct (and I mean direct, plausible, repeatable evidence of failure) then you are taking a huge chance on a legal battle. The law is there to protect individuals and companies and in this economy, if a company is threatened, judges tend to find for the defense.
LOL... I am not one bit worried about any paperwork coming my way...
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BTW CSIPSD, How do you know so much about what timing is programmed into DP Tuner's tunes? Is there a scan tool or software a regular Joe can buy that analyzes that? Does it work on all brands of programmers and chips?
They can take your chip, run it in there software and give you about everything you want to know about timing values and such... Its very neat!
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#54
02-24-2010, 05:35 PM
"DA BUS" you make some very good points. Imagine that, someone thinking logically, all on their own!
However it seems your efforts are wasted and are falling on deaf ears here. There seem to be some people that are just determined not to listen and not to look at anything subjectively. They would much rather pound their chest and point the finger at wherever seems to be convenient, which is most likely where the guy standing next to them is pointing. It seems rather pointless to try and have a discussion when a certain person or few people refuse to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
However it seems your efforts are wasted and are falling on deaf ears here. There seem to be some people that are just determined not to listen and not to look at anything subjectively. They would much rather pound their chest and point the finger at wherever seems to be convenient, which is most likely where the guy standing next to them is pointing. It seems rather pointless to try and have a discussion when a certain person or few people refuse to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
#55
02-24-2010, 05:54 PM
Diesel Bomber
"DA BUS" you make some very good points. Imagine that, someone thinking logically, all on their own!
However it seems your efforts are wasted and are falling on deaf ears here. There seem to be some people that are just determined not to listen and not to look at anything subjectively. They would much rather pound their chest and point the finger at wherever seems to be convenient, which is most likely where the guy standing next to them is pointing. It seems rather pointless to try and have a discussion when a certain person or few people refuse to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
However it seems your efforts are wasted and are falling on deaf ears here. There seem to be some people that are just determined not to listen and not to look at anything subjectively. They would much rather pound their chest and point the finger at wherever seems to be convenient, which is most likely where the guy standing next to them is pointing. It seems rather pointless to try and have a discussion when a certain person or few people refuse to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Please take it step by step so anyone can respond.
I'll go first...
1. What controls timing?
2. What controls ICP and duty cycles?
3.What causes piston and head cracks?
4.What data would you have like to seen added to the servey?
I'm not here to argue with anyone, but I dont think some people have a grasp on what is going on inside your motors...
#56
02-24-2010, 06:33 PM
My point was very simple, but apparently it either went over your head, or your skull is so dense that it bounced right off. The point was, some people refuse to listen, and/or look at the bigger picture here. They would rather point the finger and say "its his fault not mine!" You appear to be one of those people.
Yet here you are, arguing with people about something I can only assume you know very little about based on the fact that you keep going back to the same thing, over and over, ad nauseum. If you had an inkling of an idea what you were talking about, you (1) wouldn't be here in a virtual pissing contest trying to make yourself appear to know more than you do and (2) you would be able to justify your argument with something other than "timing broke my motor." Evidence man, evidence. Your fawked up block was fawked before you ever bolted it in your truck most likely. Either that, or you have a set of rods that should be enshrined for all to admire.
Oh and by the way, trying to answer questions by asking questions is a genuine way to make yourself look the fool. Good job
Oh and by the way, trying to answer questions by asking questions is a genuine way to make yourself look the fool. Good job
#57
02-24-2010, 06:53 PM
Diesel Bomber
My point was very simple, but apparently it either went over your head, or your skull is so dense that it bounced right off. The point was, some people refuse to listen, and/or look at the bigger picture here. They would rather point the finger and say "its his fault not mine!" You appear to be one of those people.
First Tranny... My fault... Second tranny... Builders fault... Third tranny... Builders fault... Forth tranny... My fault for going back but hey, it was warrantied...
First motor... My fault... Second motor... Ya, ok.
Fifth tranny... My fault, one wheel peel snapped the splines out...
Rear end... My fault...
I have no issue with taking responsablity for my actions when warrented.
Yet here you are, arguing with people about something I can only assume you know very little about based on the fact that you keep going back to the same thing, over and over, ad nauseum. If you had an inkling of an idea what you were talking about, you (1) wouldn't be here in a virtual pissing contest trying to make yourself appear to know more than you do and (2) you would be able to justify your argument with something other than "timing broke my motor." Evidence man, evidence. Your fawked up block was fawked before you ever bolted it in your truck most likely. Either that, or you have a set of rods that should be enshrined for all to admire.
Oh and by the way, trying to answer questions by asking questions is a genuine way to make yourself look the fool. Good job
First Tranny... My fault... Second tranny... Builders fault... Third tranny... Builders fault... Forth tranny... My fault for going back but hey, it was warrantied...
First motor... My fault... Second motor... Ya, ok.
Fifth tranny... My fault, one wheel peel snapped the splines out...
Rear end... My fault...
I have no issue with taking responsablity for my actions when warrented.
Yet here you are, arguing with people about something I can only assume you know very little about based on the fact that you keep going back to the same thing, over and over, ad nauseum. If you had an inkling of an idea what you were talking about, you (1) wouldn't be here in a virtual pissing contest trying to make yourself appear to know more than you do and (2) you would be able to justify your argument with something other than "timing broke my motor." Evidence man, evidence. Your fawked up block was fawked before you ever bolted it in your truck most likely. Either that, or you have a set of rods that should be enshrined for all to admire.
Oh and by the way, trying to answer questions by asking questions is a genuine way to make yourself look the fool. Good job
How many motors have you tore into? How many motors have you taken the heads off? When was the last time you changed your own oil...
See, this is what always happens, The DP tuner crowd makes it personal rather then discuss the facts...
#58
02-25-2010, 08:15 PM
Contact these guys...
They can take your chip, run it in there software and give you about everything you want to know about timing values and such... Its very neat!
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They can take your chip, run it in there software and give you about everything you want to know about timing values and such... Its very neat!
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I didn't come here to argue either, but I don't know what to say anymore. CSIPSD I guess you have a favorite tuner, or rather you just don't like DP Tuner. I didn't engage here to convince you otherwise, but rather to stir some doubt in condemning Jody and his work. I failed. I failed because you have it in your mind that Jody's responsible for any and all engine carnage for vehicles who illegedly ran DP's tunes which, if these are legitimate applications, they are a small, select group of trucks. It doesn't matter to you that the sample size is miniscule compared to the total number of tuned trucks running around running his tunes or otherwise. You apparently have some axe to grind there so there's no use in debating this further in my mind. He's clearly getting an unfair shake and that's wrong.
I will say this though: for the purposes of these arguments, I agree, tuning controls timing, fuel, trans pressure and shift points. If there was some gross error in his tuning I think more people would have issues and they would be constantly reported early on -- as in the first month of ownership. If anything's going to happen to an engine (short of happening in an actual chassis dyno tune) it's going to happen in that first month or 500 miles.
I don't know Jody of DP Tuner personally since I have never met the man in person. But I feel like I have in a way in that we've discussed my tuning needs over several hours and follow up phone calls and trial and error that I really FEEL like I do. He's given me great service and a quality product. I have referred him by word of mouth to several friends who are local and also very happy. I have had his tunes on my Ex for over a year now and I put on in excess of 30k miles. His tune makes my Ex sound so smooth. It shifts so well, and I get better mileage -- even while towing my little trailer. I have certainly no complaints. If I am caught screwing around and end up windowing my 7.3 block, I will not think that it had something to do with Jody's tuning, but rather something that a total jackass did -- ME!
PS -- all I saw on that PHP site was advertising for their tuning products. I didn't see an offer to reverse Engineer my chip.
#59
02-26-2010, 09:21 AM
OK, first post here finally after reading alot of different threads. I had to join for this one. It seems every Diesel site I go to there are the same specific people out to completely discredit certain companies.
That stupid survey shows NOTHING at all to say that DP is the fault of the engines. For those that aren't worshiping that survey as the bible, look at the remarks. The remarks will show that there are many of those engines that failed from reasons completely apart from the tuner. The people that took the survey did their own remarks and specifically call out the culprit. Many others have no clue what it was. The info taken in that survey will no doubt show an indifference to DP because the majority of the participants were DP tuned people. How in the world do you justify that others didn't have as many failures when their coverage in the survey is represented by one single truck????? Come on guys. You are getting stupid with this.
Didn't one of you (Stroker) have one of the first DP 80E tunes ever???? The big 3 even had problems with their first run models. Example, the damned Corvette even had problems with they went to the electronic tranny in 85-86!!! Another, Dodge had problems with the rear end in the 94+ truck rearend when behind even the simple 318 engine. Bottom line, everyone's going to have flaws through their growth.
Joe, did you really "build" that second motor with good parts? I'm talking the shortblock. I've seen guys do the same exact thing to a gas motor by having oil or water in the bolt hole when torquing it in. That would hydraulic the fluid and push the bolt out. Where else is it going to go but to the weakest part holding the bolt in?????
You guys HAVE to be getting paid to badmouth Jody or you really have nothing meaningful in your life that keeps you have to waste time doing this on every single diesel site you are on.
Joe, that many problems with that many components........Come on, you have to see the problem here.
My tire is going flat. It's Jody's tunes that caused it. I hate Jody now. It's my goal in life to badmouth him because he did something to me personally....
I'm part of your gang now. Cool!!!
Grow up, get over yourself and take responsibility for your problems. I didn't say admit it and still blame others, take "responsibility" for them and change them.
Dave
PS, I'm sure this will get deleted. Truth hurts.
That stupid survey shows NOTHING at all to say that DP is the fault of the engines. For those that aren't worshiping that survey as the bible, look at the remarks. The remarks will show that there are many of those engines that failed from reasons completely apart from the tuner. The people that took the survey did their own remarks and specifically call out the culprit. Many others have no clue what it was. The info taken in that survey will no doubt show an indifference to DP because the majority of the participants were DP tuned people. How in the world do you justify that others didn't have as many failures when their coverage in the survey is represented by one single truck????? Come on guys. You are getting stupid with this.
Didn't one of you (Stroker) have one of the first DP 80E tunes ever???? The big 3 even had problems with their first run models. Example, the damned Corvette even had problems with they went to the electronic tranny in 85-86!!! Another, Dodge had problems with the rear end in the 94+ truck rearend when behind even the simple 318 engine. Bottom line, everyone's going to have flaws through their growth.
Joe, did you really "build" that second motor with good parts? I'm talking the shortblock. I've seen guys do the same exact thing to a gas motor by having oil or water in the bolt hole when torquing it in. That would hydraulic the fluid and push the bolt out. Where else is it going to go but to the weakest part holding the bolt in?????
You guys HAVE to be getting paid to badmouth Jody or you really have nothing meaningful in your life that keeps you have to waste time doing this on every single diesel site you are on.
Joe, that many problems with that many components........Come on, you have to see the problem here.
My tire is going flat. It's Jody's tunes that caused it. I hate Jody now. It's my goal in life to badmouth him because he did something to me personally....
I'm part of your gang now. Cool!!!
Grow up, get over yourself and take responsibility for your problems. I didn't say admit it and still blame others, take "responsibility" for them and change them.
Dave
PS, I'm sure this will get deleted. Truth hurts.
Last edited by Dave R; 02-26-2010 at 09:24 AM.
#60
03-03-2010, 08:41 PM
Diesel Bomber
I didn't come here to argue either, but I don't know what to say anymore. CSIPSD I guess you have a favorite tuner, or rather you just don't like DP Tuner. I didn't engage here to convince you otherwise, but rather to stir some doubt in condemning Jody and his work. I failed. I failed because you have it in your mind that Jody's responsible for any and all engine carnage for vehicles who illegedly ran DP's tunes which, if these are legitimate applications, they are a small, select group of trucks. It doesn't matter to you that the sample size is miniscule compared to the total number of tuned trucks running around running his tunes or otherwise. You apparently have some axe to grind there so there's no use in debating this further in my mind. He's clearly getting an unfair shake and that's wrong.
I do not have a favorite tuner... I have (unlike many who claim to be in the know) have run almost every tuner out there. I have run Superchips, Edge, Bullydog, Western Diesel, TS, TW, DI, Elite, DP, and Swamps. There are two other tuners who I plan on running in the future, PHP and Gearhead, but I can not claim to have run them as of now.
Please find a post when I said that any truck that blows running DP is because of DP... You will not find it. I am not sure what you want out of that, it is near impossable to blow a motor with stock injectors no matter how bad the tuning is. It can happen and does, but its not normal. So of course when you start looking for more you start seeing trucks in the 400+ hp range.
How is Jody getting an unfair shake? Nothing nor anyone is keeping him from commenting on the issues many have, or questions many have. They have chosen not to comment.
I will say this though: for the purposes of these arguments, I agree, tuning controls timing, fuel, trans pressure and shift points. If there was some gross error in his tuning I think more people would have issues and they would be constantly reported early on -- as in the first month of ownership. If anything's going to happen to an engine (short of happening in an actual chassis dyno tune) it's going to happen in that first month or 500 miles.
Do you know that there are several people who have blown motors, put new motors in and promply blown the motors again...
Or others who have had puking issues, changed tuners and the puking stops...
Why do you think that this issue would crop up in the first 500 miles or month? Just something you made up??? I can show you pictures of a motor that had piston to valve contact so bad that it left a indent into the piston, that motor ran for over 3k before splitting the block... These motors will take alot of abuse before giving up.
I don't know Jody of DP Tuner personally since I have never met the man in person. But I feel like I have in a way in that we've discussed my tuning needs over several hours and follow up phone calls and trial and error that I really FEEL like I do. He's given me great service and a quality product. I have referred him by word of mouth to several friends who are local and also very happy. I have had his tunes on my Ex for over a year now and I put on in excess of 30k miles. His tune makes my Ex sound so smooth. It shifts so well, and I get better mileage -- even while towing my little trailer. I have certainly no complaints. If I am caught screwing around and end up windowing my 7.3 block, I will not think that it had something to do with Jody's tuning, but rather something that a total jackass did -- ME!
PS -- all I saw on that PHP site was advertising for their tuning products. I didn't see an offer to reverse Engineer my chip.
I do not have a favorite tuner... I have (unlike many who claim to be in the know) have run almost every tuner out there. I have run Superchips, Edge, Bullydog, Western Diesel, TS, TW, DI, Elite, DP, and Swamps. There are two other tuners who I plan on running in the future, PHP and Gearhead, but I can not claim to have run them as of now.
Please find a post when I said that any truck that blows running DP is because of DP... You will not find it. I am not sure what you want out of that, it is near impossable to blow a motor with stock injectors no matter how bad the tuning is. It can happen and does, but its not normal. So of course when you start looking for more you start seeing trucks in the 400+ hp range.
How is Jody getting an unfair shake? Nothing nor anyone is keeping him from commenting on the issues many have, or questions many have. They have chosen not to comment.
I will say this though: for the purposes of these arguments, I agree, tuning controls timing, fuel, trans pressure and shift points. If there was some gross error in his tuning I think more people would have issues and they would be constantly reported early on -- as in the first month of ownership. If anything's going to happen to an engine (short of happening in an actual chassis dyno tune) it's going to happen in that first month or 500 miles.
Do you know that there are several people who have blown motors, put new motors in and promply blown the motors again...
Or others who have had puking issues, changed tuners and the puking stops...
Why do you think that this issue would crop up in the first 500 miles or month? Just something you made up??? I can show you pictures of a motor that had piston to valve contact so bad that it left a indent into the piston, that motor ran for over 3k before splitting the block... These motors will take alot of abuse before giving up.
I don't know Jody of DP Tuner personally since I have never met the man in person. But I feel like I have in a way in that we've discussed my tuning needs over several hours and follow up phone calls and trial and error that I really FEEL like I do. He's given me great service and a quality product. I have referred him by word of mouth to several friends who are local and also very happy. I have had his tunes on my Ex for over a year now and I put on in excess of 30k miles. His tune makes my Ex sound so smooth. It shifts so well, and I get better mileage -- even while towing my little trailer. I have certainly no complaints. If I am caught screwing around and end up windowing my 7.3 block, I will not think that it had something to do with Jody's tuning, but rather something that a total jackass did -- ME!
PS -- all I saw on that PHP site was advertising for their tuning products. I didn't see an offer to reverse Engineer my chip.
I loved my DP tuner... and recommended them to MANY people. I argued with some of the DP haters for months... I changed from a tuner that has years more experance then jody, because I was sold that it was better.
I still have never had better shifting then I did with the DP chip, but it ran worse in every other respect.
OK, first post here finally after reading alot of different threads. I had to join for this one. It seems every Diesel site I go to there are the same specific people out to completely discredit certain companies.
That stupid survey shows NOTHING at all to say that DP is the fault of the engines. For those that aren't worshiping that survey as the bible, look at the remarks. The remarks will show that there are many of those engines that failed from reasons completely apart from the tuner. The people that took the survey did their own remarks and specifically call out the culprit. Many others have no clue what it was. The info taken in that survey will no doubt show an indifference to DP because the majority of the participants were DP tuned people. How in the world do you justify that others didn't have as many failures when their coverage in the survey is represented by one single truck????? Come on guys. You are getting stupid with this.
No one was excluded from the survey, no one was cohursed into posting in it or not. It was left open for over 6 months to get as many people as possable.
If a tuner only had one failure how else would you like that to be shown... I mean really...
Didn't one of you (Stroker) have one of the first DP 80E tunes ever???? The big 3 even had problems with their first run models. Example, the damned Corvette even had problems with they went to the electronic tranny in 85-86!!! Another, Dodge had problems with the rear end in the 94+ truck rearend when behind even the simple 318 engine. Bottom line, everyone's going to have flaws through their growth.
I dont think anyone is faulting anyone... Remember Fuel7 programs... What about the old school Western Diesel chips... We have all had a learning curve. It would be nice that if you had questions about your tuning they would be answered rather then being told they are fine...
Joe, did you really "build" that second motor with good parts? I'm talking the shortblock. I've seen guys do the same exact thing to a gas motor by having oil or water in the bolt hole when torquing it in. That would hydraulic the fluid and push the bolt out. Where else is it going to go but to the weakest part holding the bolt in?????
Short block was build by a company in TX that builds alot of motors for Diesels... Alot. Everything else on that motor checked out fine... Other then the cracked block and broken main bolt... Everything I put into that second motor was done so I would not be back in it at the 450-500hp level.
You guys HAVE to be getting paid to badmouth Jody or you really have nothing meaningful in your life that keeps you have to waste time doing this on every single diesel site you are on.
Who would be paying me??? There is only one company that has ever given me anything... Isspro... I have given them alot in return...
Joe, that many problems with that many components........Come on, you have to see the problem here.
Never said I am not hard on things... I am. I also take care of things. Tranny issues are due to me picking the wrong builder. Local guy who had a good story. What other issues???
My tire is going flat. It's Jody's tunes that caused it. I hate Jody now. It's my goal in life to badmouth him because he did something to me personally....
I'm part of your gang now. Cool!!!
Grow up, get over yourself and take responsibility for your problems. I didn't say admit it and still blame others, take "responsibility" for them and change them. How about Jody does the same... A simple "ya know, there may have been an issue in some of the tunes" would go worlds for peoples opinion... And if you think this is me and Big Stroker... you are sadly mistaken...
Dave
PS, I'm sure this will get deleted. Truth hurts.
That stupid survey shows NOTHING at all to say that DP is the fault of the engines. For those that aren't worshiping that survey as the bible, look at the remarks. The remarks will show that there are many of those engines that failed from reasons completely apart from the tuner. The people that took the survey did their own remarks and specifically call out the culprit. Many others have no clue what it was. The info taken in that survey will no doubt show an indifference to DP because the majority of the participants were DP tuned people. How in the world do you justify that others didn't have as many failures when their coverage in the survey is represented by one single truck????? Come on guys. You are getting stupid with this.
No one was excluded from the survey, no one was cohursed into posting in it or not. It was left open for over 6 months to get as many people as possable.
If a tuner only had one failure how else would you like that to be shown... I mean really...
Didn't one of you (Stroker) have one of the first DP 80E tunes ever???? The big 3 even had problems with their first run models. Example, the damned Corvette even had problems with they went to the electronic tranny in 85-86!!! Another, Dodge had problems with the rear end in the 94+ truck rearend when behind even the simple 318 engine. Bottom line, everyone's going to have flaws through their growth.
I dont think anyone is faulting anyone... Remember Fuel7 programs... What about the old school Western Diesel chips... We have all had a learning curve. It would be nice that if you had questions about your tuning they would be answered rather then being told they are fine...
Joe, did you really "build" that second motor with good parts? I'm talking the shortblock. I've seen guys do the same exact thing to a gas motor by having oil or water in the bolt hole when torquing it in. That would hydraulic the fluid and push the bolt out. Where else is it going to go but to the weakest part holding the bolt in?????
Short block was build by a company in TX that builds alot of motors for Diesels... Alot. Everything else on that motor checked out fine... Other then the cracked block and broken main bolt... Everything I put into that second motor was done so I would not be back in it at the 450-500hp level.
You guys HAVE to be getting paid to badmouth Jody or you really have nothing meaningful in your life that keeps you have to waste time doing this on every single diesel site you are on.
Who would be paying me??? There is only one company that has ever given me anything... Isspro... I have given them alot in return...
Joe, that many problems with that many components........Come on, you have to see the problem here.
Never said I am not hard on things... I am. I also take care of things. Tranny issues are due to me picking the wrong builder. Local guy who had a good story. What other issues???
My tire is going flat. It's Jody's tunes that caused it. I hate Jody now. It's my goal in life to badmouth him because he did something to me personally....
I'm part of your gang now. Cool!!!
Grow up, get over yourself and take responsibility for your problems. I didn't say admit it and still blame others, take "responsibility" for them and change them. How about Jody does the same... A simple "ya know, there may have been an issue in some of the tunes" would go worlds for peoples opinion... And if you think this is me and Big Stroker... you are sadly mistaken...
Dave
PS, I'm sure this will get deleted. Truth hurts.
Anyone want to tell me what they see here...
