If you reread the quote that you quoted you will see that I'm not on one side or the other. I take more risk driving to work everyday then when I run down the track! If you are going to jump someone for trying to make a sport safer you should consider as to why they feel that way and come to understand it . On the other hand if you want to be constructive help the people that are for this to realize why they should possibly reconsider!

 

I'm not "jumping" you.

You are posting what the only true argument for their position: Safety is a good thing.

I'm not convinced this will improve safety, I'm convinced it will do exactly the opposite. For us, we will just stop racing, but others won't. They will take it to the streets. And heaven help them if a truck that was safe before the rulechange kills someone on the street from a head injury involving a rollbar.

 

I wanna know how we are all classified as Pat's cheerleaders for sticking up? I have never met Pat, E-mailed Pat, PM'd Pat, or spoke to pat on the phone. But I will tell you a voice agreeing with me is one I will agree with. Some of his statments are a little crazy, but he is doing what he can to make sure the cause he seeks is noticed IMHO. Tighter saftey rules for the little guys will ruin this sport. I do agree a saftey change could benefit, but going full speed ahead and cuting up trucks isnt the way. Helmets, neck braces, proper saftey belts, correct and servicable tires, and several others should be under scrutiny first. I race mine when I can and dont make a dime from it. I earn everything that goes in and out of my truck. I wear a helmet and a seatbelt every pass. Have some of these folks even taken a ride in a 11 or 12 second truck?

 

I say we have a good debate, but let's keep it civil.

 

Well once again Pat has not learned how to tell the truth......... nothing new

Let's set things straight and maybe we should boycott the websites and suppliers that cannot tell the truth........ MCRAT RACING, Duramaxdiesels.com, and McratRacing.com

The need for some refinements to the rules are going to come, so do you want to be a part of it or not? In the past NHRA and IHRA have not looked at the trucks as there were not enough of them to worry about. There is and were no 11 second daily driver gas trucks. Now 11 second trucks are much more common place and they just happen to be diesels that are heavy. So guess what boys and girls they are being looked at.

What we have start was an open discussion about what rules could be changed to make it safer for all. McRat has taken it as an attack on his truck but no one cares. What we are looking for is input and ideas of how we as a group can do something before it gets done for us. It's my opinion that anything over 5000 lbs @ 13.0000 and slower needs nothing done. 12.99999 and quicker should have some sort of rollover protection and 11.50000 and quicker should have a cage. How much and how to do it is what the discussion is all about. If you would like to follow Pat and bury your head in the sand that's fine, but if you would like to discuss things and contribute ideas that would be great.

 

Who me?

I'm as civil as I'm treated.

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No daily driver 11 second gasoline pickups?

This "dumb thing" is just an act, right? You've never heard of a Ford Lightning or any other fast pickups? You've never seen a Syclone(?), a Typhoon, a SRT-10 Ram, a Big Block R/C, etc, etc, etc, etc?

Why didn't you ever put a rollbar in your truck back when you were racing?

 

Guys were enjoying this topic forsure and want to learn more !!

But we will ask this , We dont know what hatchets have been swinging between people who have posted here And we really dont care , But we will Handle Whats said here ,

Even Not knowing the history ........Thats all you can ask from us

This is Disrespectful and im sure its not how you would like to be treated

We have 3 Simple rules we ask that you atleaset take a second to look at them before you post

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Everyones welcome here , Were not TOO GOOD for anyone , but we ask that discussions do not turn to personal attacks

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Last time I looked a Syclone and Typhoon were not real pickup trucks and the SS 454 truck ran 13's and slower. Yes there were a few, and I mean very few exceptions to the norm but how much did any of these exceptions to the norm weigh? The issue is and was weight to speed related. So how many 3/4 ton and heavier pickups run 11's prior to the diesels coming of age? No more of you supposed trucks give us names and dates! The answer is simple they could all be counted on one hand and they had safety equipment in them. This is the underlying issue SPEED VS WEIGHT! Look at all the SFI specifications and you will find weight requirements and it's there for a reason. SFI is where NHRA, IHRA and many other sanctioning body go to get there specifications for those who do not know.

Pat my race truck has a roll cage not a roll bar and that's what I'll race. The daily driver gets me too and from work and tows my 20,000 lb race car trailer.

The boycott statements were started by McRat and you allowed it to stand.................

 

The fact that there have been fast pickups at dragstrips all over the US for 30+ years doesn't rely on your permission for their existence. They were around I started racing in the1970's, so I imagine they predate that.

Let's see your list of 13/12 second diesel pickup dragstrip accidents that a rollbar would have come into play. I've been to the track hundreds of times haven't seen one yet.

Nobody in the NHRA is actively working to screw with us. It's you and your ilk. Matter of fact, they lifted restrictions on 4x4's last year. Exactly the opposite of your position.

Steve, I raced you in 2005. Your pickup did not have a rollbar. According to you, that is unsafe. Why didn't you have one? Why the sudden change of heart? Why didn't you bring this up back when your tuning was considered fast, and several of your customers were running 12's and 11's? Now that nobody runs your stuff, you want everyone to get rollbars NOW?

One of those, "If I can't compete, nobody can" type of things I suppose.

 

How many NASCAR guys are wearing HANS devices now that Dale Sr died.....yet in the past were hard set against them?

A roll cage saved my life--granted the car was much faster than any diesel pickup truck will ever be, but the fact remains when the line is crossed from "street truck performance" to "race truck performance with a license plate" something needs to be done.

How about instead of all the speculation and mudslinging everyone sit back, take a deep breath, and start working on a solution?