ULSD And Older Diesels
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From: Shoshoni Wy.
Add something that actually adds lubrication with USLD, I personally use 2 stroke oil. Take a look at marvel mystery oils MSDS, I used it for a short while until I did. It ought to be a hell of a cleaner though. I give veggie oil an A+ and only use Howes, Stanadine or Power service for the anti-gel properties and some clean up on the injectors.
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Diesel Enthusiast
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From: Geary Co. Kansas
Add something that actually adds lubrication with USLD, I personally use 2 stroke oil. Take a look at marvel mystery oils MSDS, I used it for a short while until I did. It ought to be a hell of a cleaner though. I give veggie oil an A+ and only use Howes, Stanadine or Power service for the anti-gel properties and some clean up on the injectors.
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From: Houston, Tx
DD,
I have been responsible for a fleet of 26 Class 8 tractors that all have over 1M + miles for the past 9 years. The oldest of which is a '93 Volvo.
I have specifically instructed our drivers to only add anti gel agents once the weather turns colder.
We've been running on the LSD for a couple years now with no problems aside from a slight decrease in economy.
So, thanks for the invitation to education, but I'll take my chances with my 26M+ miles of experience before I buy into a bunch of marketing mumbo jumbo. Remember, the sky is falling too!
Most of the members here are not likely to keep their trucks long enough or put on enough miles in the short period of time that they do have their truck to see any advantage or disadvantage from the use or non use of additives. Like I said before, aside from the anti gelling properties additives have no function beyond separating you from your $$$. Oh, the same goes for synthetic engine oil and bypass filtration systems too. Today's oils are suitable for extended change intervals up to 25K miles pending specific use and conditions.
I have been responsible for a fleet of 26 Class 8 tractors that all have over 1M + miles for the past 9 years. The oldest of which is a '93 Volvo.
I have specifically instructed our drivers to only add anti gel agents once the weather turns colder.
We've been running on the LSD for a couple years now with no problems aside from a slight decrease in economy.
So, thanks for the invitation to education, but I'll take my chances with my 26M+ miles of experience before I buy into a bunch of marketing mumbo jumbo. Remember, the sky is falling too!
Most of the members here are not likely to keep their trucks long enough or put on enough miles in the short period of time that they do have their truck to see any advantage or disadvantage from the use or non use of additives. Like I said before, aside from the anti gelling properties additives have no function beyond separating you from your $$$. Oh, the same goes for synthetic engine oil and bypass filtration systems too. Today's oils are suitable for extended change intervals up to 25K miles pending specific use and conditions.
Congratulations on your good success. We have two freight companies and a 9000 acre ranch in our family so we are the types that put lots of miles on trucks quick so I know what ya mean. With the new ULSD everyone should be running additives especially the pre-95 trucks. The rubber in the older trucks was not designed to handle the likes of ULSD and there are numerous owners already finding out the hard way. As for synthetic oil and filtrations system, oil analysis doesnt lie. I do mine every 8k and change my oil every 25K according to analysis. Conventional oil cant do that.
Thanks for contributing here and please share stories.
I've got updated information concerning fuel additves, 2 cycle oil, diesel fuels...
Here you go...
My 2 cycle oil page
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197..._cycle_oil.htm
Chemical Definitions
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197.../chemicals.htm
Link to forums discussing 2 cycle oil
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...orum.links.htm
Links to MSDS shhets on most products... (Diesel, additives, 2 cycle oil)
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...DS%20Links.htm
Here you go...
My 2 cycle oil page
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197..._cycle_oil.htm
Chemical Definitions
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197.../chemicals.htm
Link to forums discussing 2 cycle oil
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...orum.links.htm
Links to MSDS shhets on most products... (Diesel, additives, 2 cycle oil)
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...DS%20Links.htm
I though t I read on CF that MMO was a big no go. If I remember right it is more like a paint thinner than a lubricant. I may be wrong here somebody please tell me if I am, but I just wanted to bring this up.
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From: Sacramento
DD,
I have been responsible for a fleet of 26 Class 8 tractors that all have over 1M + miles for the past 9 years. The oldest of which is a '93 Volvo.
I have specifically instructed our drivers to only add anti gel agents once the weather turns colder.
We've been running on the LSD for a couple years now with no problems aside from a slight decrease in economy.
So, thanks for the invitation to education, but I'll take my chances with my 26M+ miles of experience before I buy into a bunch of marketing mumbo jumbo. Remember, the sky is falling too!
Most of the members here are not likely to keep their trucks long enough or put on enough miles in the short period of time that they do have their truck to see any advantage or disadvantage from the use or non use of additives. Like I said before, aside from the anti gelling properties additives have no function beyond separating you from your $$$. Oh, the same goes for synthetic engine oil and bypass filtration systems too. Today's oils are suitable for extended change intervals up to 25K miles pending specific use and conditions.
I have been responsible for a fleet of 26 Class 8 tractors that all have over 1M + miles for the past 9 years. The oldest of which is a '93 Volvo.
I have specifically instructed our drivers to only add anti gel agents once the weather turns colder.
We've been running on the LSD for a couple years now with no problems aside from a slight decrease in economy.
So, thanks for the invitation to education, but I'll take my chances with my 26M+ miles of experience before I buy into a bunch of marketing mumbo jumbo. Remember, the sky is falling too!
Most of the members here are not likely to keep their trucks long enough or put on enough miles in the short period of time that they do have their truck to see any advantage or disadvantage from the use or non use of additives. Like I said before, aside from the anti gelling properties additives have no function beyond separating you from your $$$. Oh, the same goes for synthetic engine oil and bypass filtration systems too. Today's oils are suitable for extended change intervals up to 25K miles pending specific use and conditions.
I am glad to see you have had great luck with your fleet.
Personally, I remember when the switch was made to LSD back some years ago, and all the Ford 7.3 developed Injector leaks because the orings were not compatible with the new fuel. I expect we will see some of the issues with the new ULSD on some models of trucks as well.
Now, ULSD is supposed to have proper lubricity. SUPPOSED to. Because the fuel has such a terrible lubricity, the blending plant is supposed to mix in additives to increase lubricity. Well, I have spent enough time in refineries and built 2 ULSD plants. I have seen the quality of personnel they get to do those jobs around here. In my trucks, I will give them that extra insurance using Amsoil Diesel Concentrate. Cause its cheaper in the long run than having one wear out a set of injectors or a pump.
Now, as for your position on Synthetics, I do think you need to do a little more research. Synthetics are a very economical and effective way to go, as long as you understand and apply the theory behind the idea. Now, there is nothing detrimental to reliability by doing consistent oils/filter changes. You will not have any issues, as you change the oil before it gets a chance to break down. Some people prefer this, and thats fine. Those that want the best for their trucks and don't want to do an oil change every other weekend, find the Synthetics and Bypass filtration to be a better deal. To each their own.
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Normally I would only reccomend using additives designed for and intended for use with a fuel system. There are so many fuel additives out there, and a few top notch ones, why risk your motor with back yard concoctions? Amsoil, Power Service, Lucas, Standyne, all good stuff to use.
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From: Geary Co. Kansas
MMO is not very good for a fuel system lubricant. I found that out after i bought 4 gallon, so i use it in the fuel of the gasoline powered cars, trucks and tractors we still have on the farm. I use 2 cycle oil exclusivly now in my diesels. From what i have read, only use power services, standyne, howes, and some others only in their recommended amounts. Do not go over that amount!! the therory of more is better does not apply to them, more can hurt your engine.
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