5.9L 12V Performance Discussion of 12 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with P7100 Injection Pumps Related to Performance and Longevity

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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Bigger valves also play a big part.
Yes they do!!

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Personaly I'd ditch the regualtor on the air dog and do a boost referance regualtor. The higher the boost of course the higher the rpm and load= higher lift pump pressure and volume.
 

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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:15 PM
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And, for pulling I'm going to have address the driveline. Right now my tranny has all billet shafts except for the output... For pulling should I be looking into getting that output turned into a billet shaft, also I'm sure a 1 pc driveline would be more beefy when compared to the stock 2 pc. What would be a good way to go about driveshaft loops?

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Personaly I'd ditch the regualtor on the air dog and do a boost referance regualtor. The higher the boost of course the higher the rpm and load= higher lift pump pressure and volume.
How would I go about setting up a boost reference regulator? Sounds easy but better safe to ask the question then assume...
 

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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:20 PM
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for a 12mm p pump the .093 lines are too big IMO I would go with a set of .084's. Also the air dogg with the 40 psi spring will flow plenty of fuel. Mine never drops below 40 psi on a pull

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yes a billet output is a good idea
 

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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Jagsdiesel
Yes they do!!

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Personaly I'd ditch the regualtor on the air dog and do a boost referance regualtor. The higher the boost of course the higher the rpm and load= higher lift pump pressure and volume.
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And, for pulling I'm going to have address the driveline. Right now my tranny has all billet shafts except for the output... For pulling should I be looking into getting that output turned into a billet shaft, also I'm sure a 1 pc driveline would be more beefy when compared to the stock 2 pc. What would be a good way to go about driveshaft loops?

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How would I go about setting up a boost reference regulator? Sounds easy but better safe to ask the question then assume...
Not hard what so ever. I'll get a link to one and them tell you how to set it up. The thing we have found with them is everyone know large amounts of fuel kills turbo spool time. Yes I know with a p-pump its not as bad but still. This way you can hold fuel back and bring it on hard once the engine is spun up and ready to rock.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:25 PM
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Not hard what so ever. I'll get a link to one and them tell you how to set it up. The thing we have found with them is everyone know large amounts of fuel kills turbo spool time. Yes I know with a p-pump its not as bad but still. This way you can hold fuel back and bring it on hard once the engine is spun up and ready to rock.

Thats what the afc is for
 
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:28 PM
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Yes but some trucks and a lot of the bigger power trucks have the boost tueb to afc housing pluged off or gone. Some take the afc screw right out of the housing.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:32 PM
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Yes but some trucks and a lot of the bigger power trucks have the boost tueb to afc housing pluged off or gone. Some take the afc screw right out of the housing.
there is no reason to remove the afc on big power trucks, they just need to learn how to tune it. The fuel pressure needs to be kept up on these pumps or the risk of failure is high, starving the pump for fuel to control low end fueling does not sound like a good idea to me.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 09:44 PM
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Not starving the pump just not shuving a ton of fuel at it. The one's we've done on p-pump trucks are set at 35-40 at idle and run upwards of 65- 70 at WOT or max boost.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 10:42 PM
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[QUOTE=rkadcock;650340]And, for pulling I'm going to have address the driveline. Right now my tranny has all billet shafts except for the output... For pulling should I be looking into getting that output turned into a billet shaft, also I'm sure a 1 pc driveline would be more beefy when compared to the stock 2 pc. What would be a good way to go about driveshaft loops?

as far as driveline goes my buddy drew has a pullin truck and has something called a reverser and a stick that controls his throttle idk much about that but just putting it out there im sure 94 12valve knows wat im talkin bout
 
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by rkadcock
*rebuild kit - given
*Mahle 13:1 .020 over marine pistons with coated skirts,rings, etc (maybe fly cut) - Mahle 286210
*Diesel Pros street cam - Hamilton
*Main studs - not needed
*Girdle - Cummins block stiffener would be sufficient
*Coated bearings, rods, etc - coated rods?
*hd rod bolts - not needed
*Billet CR tappets - 24v tappets
*.120 chromoly pushrods - if you like
*S400 single charger (I'm thinking 72mm) - what class?
*14mm headstuds - 12mm
*5x.018 injectors - 140° cone angle
*.093 Fuel lines - not needed
*ATI or Fluidamper harmonic balancer - yes
*fully balanced bottom end - not needed, but not a poor choice

Then as far as my head goes
*O Ringed - ok
*milled intake manifold - not needed, but if you like
*Full P&P - ok
*Oversized valves - not needed, but if you like
*Hamilton HD springs and retainers - ok
*Individual runner intake plenum - not needed, but if you like
A start.

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Yes but some trucks and a lot of the bigger power trucks have the boost tueb to afc housing pluged off or gone. Some take the afc screw right out of the housing.
Both of those methods would limit rack travel to off idle quantity. It is however very common for higher hp applications to use a governor spring from a 180-215hp P7100 which allows full fuel ~ 60psi.

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Heres how porting works. Everyone thinks its all about size of the runners going from intake to valve. Thats a very little part of the equation. Its mainly the efficentciy of the air from intake to valve. For instance a fully ported 12v head is a straight shot in and out for the most part with slight turns that are nice and smooth. A 24v head has more than one turn per runner and a very tight angle at the valve bowl. Thus creating friction in the air stream.
Air under pressure doesn't "flow".

Originally Posted by Scott@Alligator
I know the new Industrial Injections 24V ported heads are flowing right about twice that of a stock 24v head. So there is tons of flow coming out of those heads
So II can get more flow out of a ported Cummins casting than Indy can out of a cathedral port billet head?
 

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