Roll Bars May Become Mandatory
 

Well...this is now stirring a problem that will racially affect who can afford to race. Seems that since this accident a hand full of people, MOST OF WHICH DO NOT RACE, are now petitioning the racing organizations to make roll bars mandatory under the following guidelines.

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8000 lb trucks running between 91 - 104 MPH need a bar. 104 to 123 needs an 8 point, NHRA certified cage. Over 123 and the basic NHRA 8pt cage likely won't cut it.

6000 lb trucks running between 105 and 120 need a bar. 120 to 142 needs aan 8 point, NHRA certified cage. Over 142 and the basic NHRA 8pt cage likely won't cut it.

This is not good for the sport and those of you that race need to get involved to help stop this from happening.

i cant wait til someone dies from ignorance......i know this is going to start a fight and i dont care......:pca1:

And you obviously dont care that the rules would require slow daily driven trucks to add a cage which requires gutting the truck and removing the back seat as well as about 5-7K to get it done. This is ridiculous and will never fly. I'm not gutting a 50K truck and turning it into a two seater just to run 12's, or even 13's for that matter, and no one else will either. This proposed rule change will never pass and if it does there will be a mass departure from the DHRA and a new org will be born.

ummm you dont have to gut it to run a cage, also if people got a good builder (not some guy with a mullet, a arc welder, and old barn) they will have to remove or repostion a few things but not everything, and if your paying 5-7K for a 8 point cage you are an idiot......a 4 point is 1,500 to 2,000, so you think another 4 points is going to cost 6K.......great math on that one......

Watch who your calling an idiot kiddo. I've built 23 race cars so I think I know a LITTLE BIT about what I'm saying. BTW- it has to be an NHRA certified cage so not just anyone can build it and yes it will cost you 5K. Yes, an NHRA certified cage will require removal of the rear seat. SO, you're all for making a guy that has a stock truck and nothing but a programmer have to cage his daily driver/grocery getter/tow rig and loose the rear seat to run in the 13's? Exactly what I would expect from someone who doesn't race and isn't worried about spending his own money.

Easy......

Ok I agree with Logan on this one and have been around the sport for years. You do not have to remove the rear seat to have a cage pass. I've talked with a few local guys who build them for cars that run NHRA and they have built them in cars with the rear seat. If you dont want to run safe then dont run at all. I'm in the process of having mine looked at to see how my cage will have to run. I know I'm sure that when mine gets finished down the road it will need one. Also allot of tracks wont let you run without a cage around here if you run a 12.20 or faster.

Thats incorrect and you can find that facts at Pat McSwain's website as to the details of what is required of the cage with the new proposed rule change (McRat Racing). We are talking truck cages, not car cages. I know a lot of tracks make you run a cage if you're faster than 12.20. Thats not the issue that the proposed rule change will cause. It will require a guy who has a stock truck and nothing more than a programmer to install a cage on his truck if he wants to race. Thats going to cause issues.
BTW- I've been racing for over 20 years myself and my father raced in the NMCA and pro-street classes.

So this truck that ONLY has a hypertech will have to have a cage now?

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Yes, because he will be able to clock faster than 91 mph at the end of the quarter.

how about if you are going to make a drag truck out of a half ton and drop in a torque monster, you better be able to drive it...or have good safety stuff.


and have some real racing tires on the front too, wouldn't hurt a bit.

That's completely different. A full race rig of course requires all the necessary safety precautions. A stock truck with a programmer has absolutely no need for a cage.

Roll bars may become mandatory
 

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have you been readin the thread about the same thing on pats site tracy?

uuuummmm....Danno, post number 8? :pca1:

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I agree with Dangerous on this if someone wants to risk running a truck without a cage, then he or she should be allowed, its not endangering anyone but himself/herself. I the DHRA continues with this kind of bull shit they will lose a lot of their fans and competitors. I think their events are already second rate compared to some of the big local events like Schieds. I have already seen what over regulation has done to the ITTPA , their events suck because in the work stoke class you have to have to have drive shaft loops, up turned exhaust and some other bull shit, Now their pulls you have the same few trucks pull every pull and you do not have the locals joining in.

yes i agree with dangerous too that is just stupid ,

it is very dumb, say for example after buying a new LMM duramax for 50+k and adding a ppe tuner and now you run the mid 13's quarter mile and now after that you have to gut your truck and add a full blown saftey cage?

Don't get me wrong. I DO agree with a cage policy on anything fater than 13.00 but not an 8 point. I think the 8 point should come into play on anything faster than 12.00. Trying to implement a policy to make slow daily drivers run a cage is going to kill the sport as well as the org's revenue to support racing. This is just ridiculous overkill for a slow truck.

There is nothing to prove that 12 second diesel pickups are more dangerous to the driver than a 12 second Camaro, Corvette or Mustang.

Actually, there is alot of evidence to prove the opposite. Anyone who is at the track alot will concur. Pickups have a good record.

Putting in a rollbar REDUCES safety in a street car/truck when not at the track. It reduces your visibility and hitting your head on a rollbar is lethal if you are not helmeted. Rollbars/cages are 100% above the CG of most trucks, and make rollovers easier.

And if you tell the truck racers they are not welcome at the track, they will most likely still race. On the street instead.

This is a stupid idea, brought about by a group of armchair quarterbacks, and some who ADMIT driving 80mph makes them soil their BVD's.

idk cause you can get a dmax into the 12's with good tuning, and they're daily drivers and weekend warriors. And it would keep new people from getting into the sport.

theres no way i would tear up my insides to drag race, ill just stick to work stock sled pulling, cause that 2.6 class is insane also.

Thanks for you input Pat and :hi: Glad you stopped by. :up2:

Other things to consider:

Warranty. Forget it. All of it. Not even for your radio. Arc welding could have screwed it up, yes, that has been used.

Your bank. Might not appreciate the vehicle they have title to being cut up. Check first.

Your insurance. Check. Proof that you race it, can cancel your insurance.

Resale. Get serious. Would you buy a late model vehicle with holes cut in the cab?

Exactly...

If i had money for a full blown race truck. but its a lot cheaper to go faster with a 5k car than it is with a 50k truck.

This whole thign is just a knee jerk reaction to a not that serious accident -- I have seen cars wreck on the highway in worse shape than that truck at slower speeds. Why not make sure the tracks have proper concrete walls instead of inadequate guard rails that will keep the vehicle ON THE TRACK instead of letting it fly off the truck do a barrel roll in the air and land on a telephone pole...

I race my truck, will never be in the 12's.. but I would NEVER step foot on another track if I had to put a cage/bar in my daily driver/family truck... even if it could go 12's

Cutting up my truck to take a few turbo's is acceptable to me. Cutting my truck up because of an idiot, other than myself, is out of the question. Endangering my family by installing a roll cage, so I can race, ( while they are not in the truck ) is unacceptable.

Hey, where did my soap box go? Guess I gotta shut-up now.

I didnt get into this on CompD because I'm way too small of a fish for that pond. What this somes up to me is, A PURPOSE bulit truck goes out and has a wreck at speeds mine wont ever see. Now My probly high 12 sec truck needs a cage? I realize some people are more than happy to jump in and be all for it. I for one scrape save and hide so I can do the things I want litle by little. There is no way this can happen and the sport be expected to evolve around it. As stated before no one will take a brand new truck and put a cage in it, I wont even do it to my $17k truck.

At the current rate in 2015 Diesel Trucks will run at leaset 12 Seconds stock , I dont have much of an opinion , If i was to drag race a truck that would mean i have the $$ to fix it when it breaks and if i have that money i would have a dedicated drag truck anyway :D

My tuck is dedicated to alot of things. There is a big difference though between some bucks for a T-case or a new converter or a 5-6k cage that is completley unsafe on the street. Mine is built to race if I want to but still not a purpose built race truck. Mine has a stroller and two carseats in it right now and this time next month will be half way across the country cruising around.

Maybe they need a BOLT over cage at each event for each make to share and all the people have to do is have some simple brackets on the frame to bolt it to

YEAH lets be positive :D

That is actually A good Idea:U: Always positive Chad:c:

Wow....ummm....k....uhh....yea....

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I love how things from one website get twisted around by the biggest conspiracy theorist on the internet then spread around by his cheerleaders.

The first post in this thread is not at all what was proposed...it was simply taken from a discussion on the kinetic energy of some heavier trucks...then twisted like a pretzel by someone else to fit his personal agenda.

Greetings,

I recommend that any website or diesel shop that advocates tighter safety for diesel-powered vehicles than gasoline=powered vehicles be boycotted.

I don't have "cheerleaders" or "sponsors" or "magazine guys" that I need to impress. Your board is so full of them, that there is little actual content left. It's all advertisements for anyone who donates free parts to you.

Racers tend to agree with me because... I race. And because I don't have kneepads I must wear.

It's simple, come out publically and ridicule anyone who wants tighter restrictions based on what is in our fuel tank.

No, you and your "cheerleaders" do the exact opposite, you condone, encourange and assist anyone who wants to crap on the diesel racers.

Currently, TTS, TS Performance, and CompD have publically came out in favor of tighter rules for diesel-powered vehicles than gasoline vehicles. You even started threads advocating it. Hence, y'all suck. :DD:

Pat

Why hello Pat.
Note, no names were mentioned in my original post.

Roll Cages
 

Just to add my 2 cents, I'm not going to stand against anyone that is for safety. What we need to do is really use our heads on how to apply it. Do I think that its getting carried away that they should mandate them in a daily driver truck? Probably, but you cant jump someone for wanting to make something safer. Just need to look at the facts on how to apply it. Trucks are a whole diff animal then cars.

Sounds like BS to me they should be treated the same , I agree with Pat:6:


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Thank you, Sir.
That's the whole idea behind the threads going on on other sites....just discussion, theories, ideas, etc on what might need to be done at some point in time.
Nobody is lobbying any sanctioning bodies for anything to change tomorrow, or next week, or next anything....but safety has to be #1
Nobody wants full roll cages in 12 second trucks, but heavier bars or full cages in the quicker classes is something many feel needs to be studied more. ( Note I said "studied"...not "changed right now!")
The Pro Street classes are getting faster by the day and the trucks in the gap between that and 11.49 are growing in number rapidly.
The rules have to evolve with them or eventually something bad will happen.

There have been Big Block pickups running as fast as 8's for about 30 years now.

This is nothing new. And there is not sufficient history to indicate these trucks suddenly became unsafe since they changed over to diesel.

If you want safe, don't race. There will always be a real risk of injury and death. Right now, drag racing is very safe as far as motorsports go. There currently is not a problem that needs to be fixed.

There is a small group that does not race, who thinks we are too stupid to understand what we are doing, and we need them to tell us.