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Originally Posted by DangerousDuramax
(Post 138301)
Unfortunately thats true. Far too many tracks are worried about filling seats than the safety of the racers. We need to protect ourselves from such places but putting cages in 15 second trucks is just radical overkill.
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Originally Posted by 2500HeavyDuty
(Post 138309)
Trying to make people who just want to run down that track a few times in their 13 truck alot more expensive than buying a tuner 10 times more expensive is just outrageous
Something else to take into consideration is having barriers that reduce the energy of the vehicle in the impact....not immediately stop it. |
Originally Posted by lpreston
(Post 138344)
Something else to take into consideration is having barriers that reduce the energy of the vehicle in the impact....not immediately stop it.
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Originally Posted by lpreston
(Post 138344)
There was no discussion on the 15 second trucks....just the sub-12 second ones.
---AutoMerged DoublePost--- See above post. Something else to take into consideration is having barriers that reduce the energy of the vehicle in the impact....not immediately stop it. To be honest, regardless of what you read, there aren't many sub 11.50 trucks. The reason is the rollbar rule. After all these big and little events, I've only seen perhaps a dozen out of a few thousand. Even National events will have 400 normal trucks to 6 sub-11.50 trucks roughly. If they want to monkey with the trailer queens behind closed doors, few are affected. If they want to extend it to 13/12 second trucks, thousands are affected, and why the outcry. This is not about my trucks, TTS trucks, or TS Performance trucks. This is about the guys out there at the track every week that you don't see in the magazines. They are the heart of the "sport". PS - Any demand by a "diesel group" to track owners to fix their track or else, probably will have the effect of banning diesels at that track. I have been told this is being discussed as well. ----------------------------------------- This is my last post in this thread, as I've said my peace. If you are involved with racing your street diesel pickup, and you don't want new tighter rollbar rules for 13/12 second trucks, you need to make your voices heard. While folk get sick of my voice, I am concerned about this issue, and have never heard of a race club ever try to run themselves out before. It needs to be nipped in the bud. Most the "rules" made by diesel organizations are made in private. So this rule could have already been decided, and we are too late. But just in case, the Silent Majority needs to speak up now. |
Guys, the discussion is all about what can we do. I do not know or understand all the legal crap that goes on nor do I really want too, but if we do nothing I'm afraid that will be all we get to do in the future........... no racing. So if we can find common ground to improve the safety of these vehicles and show them that we have taken a step in the right direction.......
In my mind anything slower than 13.00 doesn't need any safety modifications 12.99 - 11.99 should get a roll bar or some sort of roll over protection. 11.99 and quicker should get a roll cage. To me this is reasonable and it's going to affect less than 1% of people that race heavy weight vehicles. Now how things do or don't get done is where we get some input, maybe. Let's say we talk about a roll bar that installs in the bed of the truck and can be removed. It solves the issue of having it in the cab and for those who use the bed it's a minor problem to have to remove it and install it for racing. Someone else came up with an idea about using some structural foam added to the pillar areas. Any other ideas are welcomed so that we can present options that can be considered. For the trucks running quicker than 11.99 the same thing goes, come up with some other ideas that can be brought to the table in discussions. If we all sit back and say no were not doing anything as some have suggested the changes will be made and we will of had no input which just seems silly too me when we had the chance. |
Better safety barriers on the tracks, if i could plow through a fire hydrant at 40mph a little metal fence aint gonna stop me....
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WOW ...... The Sky is FALLING .............
Guys relax, nobody is gonna mandate a thing ....... The NHRA rules are in place for a reason. We have talked with the NHRA and they are comfortable with the current regulations .... |
Originally Posted by lpreston
(Post 137636)
Gary's truck did roll. The light pole is what stopped it from more than one revolution.
but he should have never left the surface anyway -- that is the real problem here . That truck didn't "roll" on the ground like everyone is trying to say it did, hence the none to only minor damage on the roof/stacks... |
The truck DID roll on the front half of the roof and hood ............
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That damage looked to be caused by the impacts with the guard rails/barriers -- and if it DID roll as you stated, then that has NOTHING to do wiht a rollbar/cage..
and also, MOST trucks roll in that fashion, not on the roof -- they tip forward and roll over the fenders/A-pillars -- to me it appears the truck caught the edge when he landed sideways and did a barrel roll, didn't roll like a guy losing control on a dirt road and rolling his truck.. had he not hit the telephone/light pole, then he likely would have actually rolled in that fasion. |
Looking at the video in slow motion it looks like it might have been finishing the 2nd roll when it hit the pole .........if you see the way the cab is folded around the cage on the passenger front corner, it would have been crushed had it only been a roll bar.
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I am all for safety. Now with that said, the whole point of track events and street class specific organizations is to bring the racers to the track and off the street.The track owners just benefit from them. If you over regulate the events and in turn cost the participants more money to be involved, they will be less likely to participate.
I have seen this in many form of racing and the end result is always the same. After all the new regulations even the basic classes are out of the reach for the average guy. You end up having the same , well funded group of guys at the events. Track safety on the other hand is antiquated at most rural tracks. In this day and age not having CTB's (concrete traffic barriers) the length on the track is almost criminal negligence. At my local 1/8 mile track , they have cars running in the 4's at speed around 150mph. Yes the car only weighs 2500lb but at that speed it will fly over/through a steel guardrail and way into the crowd/pit areas. I've seen it happen.the taller better designed CTB's help eliminate the majority of those issues. |
Pat and Steve's BS has been old for the past 3 years I hope one of these days one will become the bigger man and STFU. I don't give a :edit: who did what to who between you two you both need to put the BS on these forums to bed. Ya'll together are like a damn infection...:booo:
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That was not a NHRA sanctioned track. I seen the vid. The track has NO safety!
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IHRA according to their website.
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Originally Posted by DangerousDuramax
(Post 136204)
...you can find that facts at Pat McSwain's website...
I think this is stupid crapola and whoever thought of it needs to rethink things. Not sure who's post it was I skimmed and saw, but it said something along the lines of "it should be whomever the driver is' choice to use a rollcage or not" Good luck fighting this stuff guys! :c: :deal: |
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