Roll Bars May Become Mandatory
#121
03-25-2008, 02:12 PM
Banned
Do you know Gary ? His experience level ? ANYTHING about the man to make that statement ?
I seem to recall more than one professional racer going through or over guardrails. Can they not drive either ?
Think before you type...BS like that just feeds the fire some people would like to keep burning.
I seem to recall more than one professional racer going through or over guardrails. Can they not drive either ?
Think before you type...BS like that just feeds the fire some people would like to keep burning.
Thats all i know i wasnt there and ive never raced before
Do you honestly think diesel trucks are the most dangerous on the track ? ,, Have 1 Little wreck and everyone flips out , Truth be known that wreck brought in more spectators then ever before , People like that stuff , If you dont then start your own racing league and run on rails with Governors
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#122
03-25-2008, 02:14 PM
I'm sure it was a byproduct of the accident, not Gary thinking he was gonna save the pass at that point....IMHO
#123
03-25-2008, 02:18 PM
A rollbar/cage is only effective if you roll the vehicle to begin with. Something that is not currently a problem. If you do not roll the vehicle, it actually puts the driver at a greater risk. Hence, rollbars should ONLY be used where there is a real threat of rollover. Hitting a guardrail and having your helmet bang the bar can cause serious injury even when padded.
What he didn't show was the yield point of a correctly constructed NHRA rollbar, or the yield point of the roof of a late model pickup.
What he didn't show was the yield point of a correctly constructed NHRA rollbar, or the yield point of the roof of a late model pickup.
Why is it that you claim there are no problems! What research have you done to prove anything you've stated or is it all just your opinion? We are here as a group to look at the problems and try to find some answers that will work and that everyone can live with. As far as not a problem I guess the last 2 wrecks of trucks that just happened to roll over do not count in your book. What do you think happens to the strength of the frame when a roll bar or cages gets welded in place over the top of it?
There is no need to figure the yield point as SFI already figure that out for the <3600 lb max weight limit. If you want to know the yield point that's fine but rest assured it's not going to change in a truck, but the truck does apply more force to the bar or cage due to its mass during a wreck. So it's pretty easy to assume it will not work as designed in a >6000 lb truck as it does in a < 3600 lb car without some modifications.
#124
03-25-2008, 02:19 PM
Oh, now you admit there is a conspiracy to screw the average diesel pickup racer.
I doubt very few are surprised.
Your pals have been pleading for a long time to ban hobby racers, and eventually you'll win. You'll wear them down.
But please excuse us if we decide to let folk know what color your stripe is.
#125
03-25-2008, 02:23 PM
#127
03-25-2008, 02:27 PM
Oh, now you admit there is a conspiracy to screw the average diesel pickup racer.
I doubt very few are surprised.
Your pals have been pleading for a long time to ban hobby racers, and eventually you'll win. You'll wear them down.
But please excuse us if we decide to let folk know what color your stripe is.
#128
03-25-2008, 02:32 PM
Why is it that you claim there are no problems! What research have you done to prove anything you've stated or is it all just your opinion? We are here as a group to look at the problems and try to find some answers that will work and that everyone can live with. As far as not a problem I guess the last 2 wrecks of trucks that just happened to roll over do not count in your book. What do you think happens to the strength of the frame when a roll bar or cages gets welded in place over the top of it?
There is no need to figure the yield point as SFI already figure that out for the <3600 lb max weight limit. If you want to know the yield point that's fine but rest assured it's not going to change in a truck, but the truck does apply more force to the bar or cage due to its mass during a wreck. So it's pretty easy to assume it will not work as designed in a >6000 lb truck as it does in a < 3600 lb car without some modifications.
There is no need to figure the yield point as SFI already figure that out for the <3600 lb max weight limit. If you want to know the yield point that's fine but rest assured it's not going to change in a truck, but the truck does apply more force to the bar or cage due to its mass during a wreck. So it's pretty easy to assume it will not work as designed in a >6000 lb truck as it does in a < 3600 lb car without some modifications.
Times and dates. You are lying to these people. Time to come clean.
Again, why didn't YOU run a rollbar, or even suggest to any of your 13/12 sec customers to?
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#129
03-25-2008, 02:34 PM
Banned
#130
03-25-2008, 02:38 PM
Just give up Steve. LOL
Let's come clean with Pat....
I'll start...
Myself, the website I spend hours a day working on, this website,( hell, every diesel website EXCEPT yours) and it's members, multiple vendors and every diesel sanctioning body have gone behind the scenes to start a movement to shut down diesel motorsports.
We hate 13 second trucks and never want to see another one on the road again.
We'll make rules on the fly in the middle of national events just to keep trucks we don't like from running. If you're not popular...you're out. It's our call and there's nothing you can do about it.
I could go on but I think most people will see the foolishness of that statement.
It's not like these people NEED every diesel racer or hobbyist out there to put food on their tables or anything. (insert 'rolls eyes' smiley here)
The very people we're being accused of pushing away from the sport are the customer base these companies rely on to stay in business.
Just to clarify for Pat. LOL Everything I posted in the first paragraph is false and nothing but a figment of Pat's imagination. LOL
Sounds kinda silly when it's all written out doesn't it ?
Let's come clean with Pat....
I'll start...
Myself, the website I spend hours a day working on, this website,( hell, every diesel website EXCEPT yours) and it's members, multiple vendors and every diesel sanctioning body have gone behind the scenes to start a movement to shut down diesel motorsports.
We hate 13 second trucks and never want to see another one on the road again.
We'll make rules on the fly in the middle of national events just to keep trucks we don't like from running. If you're not popular...you're out. It's our call and there's nothing you can do about it.
I could go on but I think most people will see the foolishness of that statement.
It's not like these people NEED every diesel racer or hobbyist out there to put food on their tables or anything. (insert 'rolls eyes' smiley here)
The very people we're being accused of pushing away from the sport are the customer base these companies rely on to stay in business.
Just to clarify for Pat. LOL Everything I posted in the first paragraph is false and nothing but a figment of Pat's imagination. LOL
Sounds kinda silly when it's all written out doesn't it ?
Last edited by UNBROKEN; 03-25-2008 at 02:50 PM.
