I call bullshit. Different circumstances dictate each situation. I'm not saying you won't for certain go to jail if you kill someone in self defense, just the same, people in my own town were the victims of a home invasion robbery, and the man, after his son was beaten into veggie status and they put hands on his wife, killed two out of three attackers. His biggest problem was that he didn't kill these guys inside of his home. He chased them out of his home and popped 2 of em' out on the street. Ultimately, he did a little time in county but was never charged with murder and probably did a total of a couple of months while they figured out what they were gonna do. Sad truth is though, the same guy that shot those 2 ended up killing somebody else and is now doing a sentence in prison for it.

 

Ok.........I can agree that Different circumstances dictate each situation along with different cops, different AG.....

now listen closely to what I said....

At no time did I ever say DO NOT KILL.....I said SHOOT TO STOP not SHOOT TO KILL Hell, if it take you reloading 4 times with a 17 shot magazines to stop the bad guy...then so be it...

But your intent was not to kill him, you had not posted on the web you were going to kill somebody....but that you were going to STOP THEM from harming you or a loved one...thus you can not be branded a killer...a loose cannon who wanted to kill somebody....

 

I didn't realize you had law experience or that we where in a court of law. So let me rephrase what I said without any slang or jargon and in the attempt to avoid butt sex with other men.

In the event of a intrusion of my home, car, or place of work where a direct imminent threat of violence or death is posed on me, family members, or friends I will use all force granted to me by the jurisdiction in which the act took place. This doesn't include and doesn't rule out the use of deadly force. I will not use more force than necessary to end the attack whether that means the fleeing, incapacitating, or death of the offender as a result of my actions to end the threat directed towards me or my family.

Your right you never said not to kill only to stop which I interpreted to mean shot to wound. Which in my opinion is a horrible tactic to have. I have no intention on killing someone but if put in that position I may take shots that might be detrimental to the health of the attacker. I will always side on the life of my family over the well being and heath of an attacker.

I showed you in the state law in which I live and it may vary from yours where it reads that if put in the position of a life threatening event you may protect yourself through the use of deadly force. Which by your own definition mean force used against some one that may cause serious bodily damage or death. I never said I was going to shot till someone was dead. If put in a situation that got to a level that it merited me shooting I would not be shooting at the violators toes. They would be shots with the intention to cause serious damage that may result in death.

 

i also heard (rumor or whatever) that if you used hollow point bullets in

the act of defending yourself or your property

that it may be construed in the court of law as premeditated murder by you knowing that

the hollow point causes maximum damage to the subject that was shot

as opposed to regular solid ball ammo.

Does anyone have any input on that? ? ?

i personally never shoot to kill! ! !

i was taught to aim center of mass !

and to use the minimum force necessary to subdue the situation !

 

concealed carry could have prevented this.

 

You can use HOLLOW-POINT, the police does, cause FMJ will penetrate too much, Mite go thur the punk & hit a pregnant lady 2 blocks away.

 

i know what a FMJ does and what HP do and thats one of the big reasons why i carry
HP's in my own carry gun

but just because the police does , doesnt mean i will get the same treatment from a judge as a cop will when i shoot someone with a HP or a frangible round

 

Some states like New Jersey will get ya a $1k fine and time in jail (if I remember correctly) for each and every hollow point you have...while the cops get a pass..Federal EFMJ Ammo came about due to stupid no HP laws if I remember right...

However, if you don't live behind a iron curtan state & can own/carry/use HP's that's the way to go...in coourt any good expert whitness will be able to show how a HP is more humane and a better bullet than a FMJ if somebody tries playing that card...

Another reason I like living in a free state....a justifiable shooting will not turn into a 3 ring circus trying to find a reason to hang the shooter for shooting poor welfare thugs with rap sheets longer than I am tall....

 

What y'all are missing that Rampy is saying is that you shoot to stop the attack. If that means dead it means dead. If that mean after the first shot they turn and run, you stop or go to jail. If you shoot once and they fall down but are still alive you stop unless they still pose a life or death threat STILL. If they are unconscious and you shoot and kill them every state in this country WILL send you to prison for a long time. And when that is done the family will take everything you own and will own.

You shoot to stop the threat, what stopping the threat is differs every time.


On a side note, watch the language please everyone. I've had to edit a couple posts. We are not in the Badlands so no cussing please.

 

Hows that? He brought a rifle... I'd rater have that then ANY handgun. If your trying to say he could have shot back from the truck during the chase... Well.... That would not end well for him.