And my Internet-***** is thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis long.

 

Then why do you sit to pee......

 

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.45 Long Colt/.410 3" Shotgun Taurus Judge...

 

i have multiple guns i carry. the one i choose depends on my mood, my dress, my destination. but it is between these guns

Glock 30
Glock 21
RIA 1911
and a S&W SW40VGE

all are high capacity non californian issuable guns. i either carry in a Fobus holster or in an IWB holster.

Bobby, check out Kholster he makes some NICE holsters, they might make one for your Bersa..... i love the one i have for my G30.

BTW anyone interested in a Kholster, PM me and i can get you a referral code that will earn you a 10% rebate on any purchase....

 

So tell us what in the hell is a 40 short and weak, I take my forty and out do the 9 all day long in knock down power, the 40 is pushing the barrel's upper limit's with the power they have, that's why you won't see a hot load for a 40, it's all ready hot, anymore is going to blow up in your hand.


The .40 Caliber Smith & Wesson (S&W) cartridge was developed as a joint venture between Winchester and Smith & Wesson in 1989. It was an effort to to create a cartridge with the same power as the 10mm Norma round that the FBI had just started using, but in a shorter case. The shorter cartridge would facilitate accuracy and allow use of a smaller, more comfortable grip frame. The .40 S&W has become the cartridge of choice for many law enforcement agencies in the United States. Typical bullet weight for this cartridge ranges from 135 to 180 grains with an average muzzle energy that approaches 500 ft-lbs.

The following data set is based on standard factory loaded cartridges fired from a 4" barrel, listed by weight, brand, type and muzzle velocity. This is only a very small sample of what is available.

135 grain Federal JHP : 1,190 Feet Per Second
155 grain Hornady JHP : 1,180 Feet Per Second
165 grain Winchester FMJ: 1,060 Feet Per Second
180 grain CCI-Speer JHP: 1,025 Feet Per Second

 

I spent a lot a years in the service with 45's and they were a nice caliber handgun that feels good in your hand. The problem I had with them is the recoil. You better make that first shot count or have 6 inches of recoil suppressor hangin off the front of the barrel.

I like my 40's personally. It's comfortable, fun to shoot, relatively cheap to shoot, easy to find ammo with good accuracy.

Now the real kicker in this whole debate. I mention this all the time and everybody wants to think they're man enough that it won't matter. Wait till you have to pull that weapon and make that life or death decision against another human being. Until you have done this, in real life, in real time and lived through it none of the rest of this conversation means anything. All the sudden it's not like in the movies or on the firing line anymore.

 

Yep, no question about it & then ya have to deal with the mental issues/trauma....

 

I find .45s pretty manageable. My stainless Sig weighs about 2 pounds though and that helps. 17 rounds in 5" at CC test range shootin fast

 

What's knock down power, there is no such animal as "knock down power" it's just simple kindergarten physics......

The 40 Short and weak is a cut down 10mm as the 10mm was to powerful in the original FBI loads & to big for agents hands.

The 40 was born out of a perceived need in that the 45ACP and the 10mm were to big/powerful and the 9mm was not powerful enough......and as such the 40 is a caliber that's designed to have more rounds in a standard mag than the .45 but with a smaller bullet, less rounds than the standard 9mm but a bigger bullet and shorter and weaker than the 10mm...

It does nothing superb, does nothing better that is not done by another caliber only better. The 40 is a compromise caliber plain and simple.

The 5" 45ACP has a better one shot stop ratio (or knock down power if that's what you want to call it) than the 40, the 45 is is more accurate than the 40 while the 10mm is a better stronger/more powerful cartridge than the 40 & the only thing "better" that the 40 has over the 9mm is bullet diameter & that's a moot point with today's bullet designs.

The 9mm is a smaller diameter bullet, but with today's modern designed bullets the 9mm is as good if not better than the 40, it has more cartridges in a magazine, less felt recoil, faster follow up shots that are aimed and is easier to shoot.

Then you have the 357 Sig that is flatter shooting, deeper penetration into cars/doors and other barriers while at the same time having better stopping power or "knock down power" than the 40 & will out preform the 40 any day of the week.

If you put aside your personal feelings/emotions and look at the 40 in a purely logical standpoint it's plain to see it does nothing better than any other caliber, has no pure advantage and as such is a wash...Heck the 45 Gap is a better cartridge than the 40 short and weak....