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Old 07-29-2011, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dieseldude03
For RAMPRAT and ERIC-AT-PTP: Handgun Cartridge Power Chart - Condensed Version (One shot stops)

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stopping power isn't about foot/pounds When I was young & foolish to believe what I read, I saw where the 223 had over 1,300 FP coming out of my friend AR-15, I had bought a SMITH & WESSON 657 41 MAG. with a 3 inch barrel with less than 700 FP, My friend put a CBS BLOCK & shot it with his 223 AR-15, 223 put a small hole on the front of the block, but left lead spray on the back part of the block. I then shot the block with my 3 inch 41 MAG. on the solid part of the CBS block & the block exploded to dust & tiny pieces of cement. My friend said, my 20 inch barrel 223 AR-15 has twice the FP of your 3 inch barrel 41 MAG, but the 223 didn't even penetrate te block on the hollow section & the 41 MAG destroy the CBS BLOCK. I learn that BIG HEAVY bullet, will do more damage than light little fast bullets
 
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Originally Posted by gunman41mag
stopping power isn't about foot/pounds When I was young & foolish to believe what I read, I saw where the 223 had over 1,300 FP coming out of my friend AR-15, I had bought a SMITH & WESSON 657 41 MAG. with a 3 inch barrel with less than 700 FP, My friend put a CBS BLOCK & shot it with his 223 AR-15, 223 put a small hole on the front of the block, but left lead spray on the back part of the block. I then shot the block with my 3 inch 41 MAG. on the solid part of the CBS block & the block exploded to dust & tiny pieces of cement. My friend said, my 20 inch barrel 223 AR-15 has twice the FP of your 3 inch barrel 41 MAG, but the 223 didn't even penetrate te block on the hollow section & the 41 MAG destroy the CBS BLOCK. I learn that BIG HEAVY bullet, will do more damage than light little fast bullets
Again, it all depends on what you want & what the caliber/cartridge/gun is designed to do...

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Originally Posted by Eric-At-PTP
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I dont see a 9mm or a .357 out doing the .44mag. But then again I already knew that.

Meh.....big suprise...like running slick 50 in your car....
 

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Originally Posted by Ramprat
Again, it all depends on what you want & what the caliber/cartridge/gun is designed to do...
A 220 SWIFT has 1500 FP of energy, but so does the 45/70 does that mean they are equal one is for varmints & the other will kill a buffalo, but they both have 1500 FP of energy. Now you see why I don't go by the FP
 
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Originally Posted by gunman41mag
A 220 SWIFT has 1500 FP of energy, but so does the 45/70 does that mean they are equal one is for varmints & the other will kill a buffalo, but they both have 1500 FP of energy. Now you see why I don't go by the FP
Yep, different tools for different jobs...

You don't see many 44 mags as LEO guns (I've personally never seen a single LEO carry a 44 mag)....but ya see a metric **** ton of 9mm's as cop guns...on one hand that does not say much, but on the other hand it says lots...

You need to balance the weapon/cartridge/bullet for the job....
 
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Originally Posted by Ramprat
Yep, different tools for different jobs...

You don't see many 44 mags as LEO guns (I've personally never seen a single LEO carry a 44 mag)....but ya see a metric **** ton of 9mm's as cop guns...on one hand that does not say much, but on the other hand it says lots...

You need to balance the weapon/cartridge/bullet for the job....
Problem with the 44 MAG. is that it will over penetrate the bad guy & hit a 4 year old kid 3 blocks away
 
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Originally Posted by Eric-At-PTP
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I dont see a 9mm or a .357 out doing the .44mag. But then again I already knew that.
There is NO way I'm trading my 1009fps 230gr 45acp for a 78gr. I could see using these in a carbine for varmints possibly but not for carry.
 
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Originally Posted by Ramprat
Again, it all depends on what you want & what the caliber/cartridge/gun is designed to do...

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Meh.....big suprise...like running slick 50 in your car....
That's like saying sex is stupid just because you never had any. Cops carry 9's because there cheap to own and cheap to shoot. Besides no one carries a .44 for a potential shoot out, how ever for personal protection is a different story. Over penetration is an issue if you miss place your shot but the rounds I shoot just about shatter on impact and slow way down to do to much damage if it went through and through.
 
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Originally Posted by gunman41mag
Problem with the 44 MAG. is that it will over penetrate the bad guy & hit a 4 year old kid 3 blocks away
Yep, it's a hunting caliber designed from the start to hunt with....then Dirty harry made it a household name...

Some calibers are designed to stop bad guys, some are not, some are designed to stop a bear...some are not...

It's all about picking the correct tool for the job....
 
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It's not so much the caliber as it is the type of rounds you use. It's not like the old days there are many different rounds out there now designed to achieve different goals.
 
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Originally Posted by Bucket Truck
There is NO way I'm trading my 1009fps 230gr 45acp for a 78gr. I could see using these in a carbine for varmints possibly but not for carry.
It's the old LaMas blended ammo renamed if I remember correctly....nothing but a scam, this follows along with a fool and his money will soon be parted...do a web search and see how many good reviews that ammo has. How many people have been shot with em, how many autopsies have been conducted...not just info on a manufacturing web page...but real 3rd party independent company...Plus with such a load you need to sit down and look at what the throat erosion and flame cutting are doing to the pistol.

Hyper velocity ubber light ammo is nothing new and looks pretty when it hits something full of juice to explode...take a look at the old tried and true Glasser Safety Slug....the blue turned out to be to light and fast, it dumped all it's energy on the surface & did not penatrate deep enough...hence the Silver slug...What good does blowing a huge hole in somebody do when it does not go deep enough to actually do anything other than superficial damage...especially of the person is a huge fat dude...

Then look at cost, how many of us are going to buy 100 of these rounds to shoot, nope, buy a box, shoot a few and then call it good, they are just to expensive to do any sort of training/shooting with getting to know the round & how it acts in a specific pistol...hell with the blast from a 2" 44 magnum and these round you have got to be pushing some major flame, noise and serious recoil....

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The pistol in this video is the exact same one I was playing with at the shot show...for me it felt a tad small in the dick beaters....but it seems a really nicely made pistol, loooong trigger pul...but was manageable and you don't want a 1/4 pound trigger on a pocket pistol anywhoo...

 

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