Few places down in Colorado that does that & one or 2 in Wyoming.

That's some seriously hard stuff & takes lots of time & dedication not to mention a gun & optics. I've seen guys hit a 1/2 pint milk carton tied to a bush that's moving at 1K yards....

 

Yea they have one in puelblo that not so intense, but its has alot of amatuers and beginners doing it, and I would love to do it, that shoot is limitied to .223, and .308 I belive its in Pueblo Colorado, and thats a two hour drive. Something I want to do but its gonna be awhile. I learned some techniques from my Uncle and his friend who are marksmen in the army, but thats all I got rest if self teaching!! but I need more instruction before I begin doing that...

 

I'm being honest here and just for the sake of conversation. Why should I pay to take a class when I can go and learn from the swat team for free?

They have taught me most of what I know about room clearing and I could go every month to training if I really wanted to.

 

All the better then!!! Id soak in everthing I could, Im only 20, and have a younger bro thats 18, and weve been lucky enough to try out different kinds of competions such as 3 gun shoots, and quick draws, mid range tactical. But for me I have no one to get instruction from, its just me, and my 100 acre shooting range with six targets... You can only learn what you wan to, if you like to try and do kill house comps that be the people to learn from... Put that is also one swat team, you can proably come and learn from the local swat team here and the techniqeus would vastly be different. as they say Variety is the spice of life... But speaking of the local swat team, they did a gun man drill at the school I go. The police damanded that it could not be a surprise drill for obvious reasons, and also we had to be alerted to not retaliate with out 3 inch wrenches and who ever pickup was on the lift not to return fire

 

I've done a few from them but I don't want to drag down their trainings because of my bad back I'm not as fast as others with CQB so after the first run though full speed my leg starts numbing up and I have to slow down.

They are very open to it and have given me a chance to have a great learning atmosphere! One thing you could try is training with lead weights in your rifle for kill box and when you go to competitions the gun will be lighter and you will have an improvement on turning speed!

 

hmm, so much stuff its just crazy! my uncle is SPEC OPS somewhere and he only used a glock 17 for CQB and he can hit apples at 20 paces like no ones buisness, then he had me put an apple that was suppose to be civilian, he never skipped a beat! its crazy when you have the time, and ammo, and instruction how skilled they can be!

 

Are you serious here...that statement in itself says volumes about you....

Who do you think trains the swat team....or do they learn it from books and videos?

What's to say the swat team is doing it the best they can....you can't as that's all you know...who is training them....why not open your mind and broaden your skill set...

It's just like going to fire school, you could learn it from guys on the department...or ya could pay to go get quality training...and learn the correct way...then bring back new ideas and skills...Do fire fighters train, go to different training...flashover simulators...burn houses....with different instructors...

Do you really think face shooters take a class and then just sit around training themselves...or do they look for more training, building on the basic skill sets...and improving...

I know a guy who was shot and now in a wheelchair for the rest of his entire life....he takes training from some of the best schools in the country....in a wheel chair...it's about mindset...learning and building new skills...weapon manipulation drills...

When I was EST many years ago we trained with multiple police departments, different military schools and a few private places...it was all about learning new skill sets, trying different drills...My EST team took on the FBI HRT and a DOE anti terrorist team in a hijacking of a RC135 aircraft scenario.

We kicked butt & beat both the other teams....to much suprize...

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Different teams, different mindset and skill set....

Have a good friend who is a retired 18D and he will be the 1st to tell you while he did lots of shooting with different firearms that was secondary to his primary skill set....and his handgun skills were good enough....but he hates shooting handguns and they are nothing more than a tool to him.

Many many years ago I had the chance to hit the range for a few hours with a couple guys in the Navy....and burn some serious ammo out of MP5SD's and a few 1911's & other weapons....learned quite a bit from the short range session.

The more quality training ya do the better you are.....

 

Ya know ramprat not everyone has the mass of disposable cash to go run around to get training. I am doing the best with what I have.

How about I build my assault rifle first?

What works for one person may not work for another so you have your way and I have mine. What you do might work for you but that doesn't mean it will work for me or anyone else in that matter.

Don't ridicule someone because of how they want or have the only way they can learn.

Yeah I went to fire college and learned it from instructors but half of the instructors work as firefighters also. Just because someone lets you in on a normal training sessions doesn't mean that they aren't an instructor.

 

Ohhhh, somebody is getting thier feathers ruffled....

You are 100% correct....so don't hang a bunch of crap off a AR15 weapon that is worthless and makes you look like a fool on he range...unless you like looking like a fool.....

Save the money, buy quality mags and ammo.....and a little training...

All that stupid crap does on your weapon is declare to the world you are insecure, don't know your weapon system and need to hang all kinds of "kool kid" crap off of it to make up for your shortcomings in marksmanship and skills....but you do not even know that much...as your wanting the kool kid crap instead of learning the basics first.....

Take a look at the quiet professionals, what they run on their weapon systems....and then learn from them....

Oh and it's not a "assault rifle" so why don't you learn proper terminology before building it....

 

If they are not assault rifles then what are they called? Assault rifles is the one most common and apparently politcaly correct term for ar-15s , ak-47's sks, and bla bla bla, to me every gun is a sporters gun and another tool in the tool box... I do say, yes you need to learn marksmans ship, and actually find what is completly neccesary to have on your rifle, a good sights, and stock, a good and fast resseting trigger( i think the trigger is the heart and soul of marksmanship)