the state of Minnesota has mandated a 2% bio diesel blend in all fuels for sometime now, I would run a 2% blend probably too, but anything over that i'd say no to, only bio-blend i can get around here is 20% during the summer and 5% during the winter due to the bio fuel gelling at a higher temperature than regular fuel

 

do you even read any of the posts?

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I'm pretty sure I posted this a year ago, but here's more banter on it.

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I found it very interesting that they've been doing similar things in Europe, with DPF equipped vehicles. There's even been some testing done by Mercedes and some German University apparently. The author of the thread stated that at his annual emissions test, he's seen a 30-50% reduction in soot and particulate, and his DPF regen cycle interval has gone from ~600km to about 1000km. All with ashless or low ash oil and not fully synthetic 2-stroke oil.

 

I've been using a little 2-stroke in the gassers as a UCL for many years. How's that for fuel additive sacriledge?

You are always going to have two camps in these discussion/arguments. There are the ones who do stuff because they heard about, tried it and know it works for them. Then there's others others who have some religious belief against it because it's not the way the automotive gods intended.

To each his own...

 

Exactly. Yes, the Government stipulates that ULSD is supposed to have a certain degree of lubrication in it but I feel that fuel is still too dry. Ever looked at a diesel pump that has fuel spilled all over? Before ULSD it was a real greasy mess, after ULSD you dont see the greasy mess anymore. Now, Im not certain that means anything but injector pumps are $$ and Id rather spend an extra couple of buckes per tank to keep my injector pumps happy - which keeps me happy (for the most part).

 

Your vastly incorrect statement has been corrected for you.

The FAA has nothing to do with highway vehicles.

Why waste my money on garbage? The cost of 1 gallon of useless additive will buy me 5 gallons of fuel.

I have yet to see any from you.

Bingo.

Things known as "factual proof", "science" and "reality".

Your mind is set deep in concrete. No amount of chipping away faith with facts can alter your personal reality.

In that case its simply lack of understanding.

You have poor logic. Fuel lubricity and the desire for more power are two completely unrelated topics.

Thats called "wear" and "age". You know, loss of compression, increased oil consumption, etc etc.
Blaming ULSD on performance/longevity/failures is nothing more than a scapegoat to make up for lack of proper diagnosis.

That is false blanket statement. Mixtures up to 20%, maximum currently allowed by any engine manufacturer, produces no discernible change. Its not until the B50-B100 range that a reduction in power and economy becomes consistently measurable, but by using that high mixture your engine and fuel system warranty will be voided (yes, they can and will test for it if they suspect).

B2 and B5 will perform better than any additive on store shelves with no negative effects and for many times cheaper per gallon.

Thats not physically possible, and he is being misleading;
Simply adding 2-stroke oil does not change the fuel chemistry.
A "30-50% difference" is an extremely small amount on a car with a DPF.
Regen cycles are very dependent on driving conditions. Lacking a controlled test environment and having a driver knowing about the test and looking for results, his driving habits subconsciously change. This is true for ANY test, thats why actual science tests use placebos and other devices to eliminate subjective bias.

That has actual merit.
Gasoline is a solvent and its injected during the intake stroke so it naturally washes oil from the cylinder walls. That is the exact application 2-stroke oil was designed for! The only difference is that its not lubricating the bottom end as well.

Oh, end of discussion, HE FEELS its still too dry.

Thats because station managers have been keeping their stations cleaner than ever. People don't want to buy fuel from a grease pit.

And it keeps useless additive makers VERY happy!

 

You realy are some genius. Of course it has nothing to do with highway vehicles, Capt obvious. The pipeline regulations enabling quality control and preventing contamination are for the aviation industry, dumbass. Hence your statement about the lube adds proving as I stated, you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

Yeah, its pointless to argue with someone that knows everything about everything.

 

What color is the sky in your world?

 

Aiight, then. I got the time, if you got the reading comprehension....
Congratulations - my 11 year-old daughter knows that.
And you likely won't. I speak from personal experience.
SO, what part of the diesel industry would we be talking about? Where every 10th vehicle you dump the oil from at the quickie lube

happens to be a diesel? And you refill it with the wrong grade of bulk from your oil-pumper?
Uh, yeaaaah. Those things mysteriously absent from any post you've made.
Thanks for not trying - I really DO appreciate that!
As opposed to an arrogant attitude?
It's hard to make power when the engine doesn't run because the IP is prematurely worn from a lack of lubricity.
Ever wonder what is the primary factor in the "wear" of fuel pumps and injectors?
Tell that to the guys over at Central Motive here in Denver. I'm sure you are familiar with them being local, right? They are a Bosch pump shop and have a little of the "personal experience" stuff in this particular area of the diesel industry, which you seem to be lacking. Get back to us on that, 'kay?
So then you DO agree there may be a need for it? Or not? Which is it now, I forget.
Chemistry? I though we talking about burning stuff in a compression-ignition engine and what happens with the stuff burning as it goes from the fuel tank to the exhaust tip. Lesse, we got chemistry, physics, thermodynamics, hydraulics, fluid dynamics, what else? You really wanna go there? Bring it baby!!! Woo hoo!!
I'd characterize the content here more as to how documented experience trumps theoretical conjecture based on nothing of substance.
Your grasp of the obvious is astonishing. Let me repeat: ...That is the exact application 2-stroke oil was designed for.." What application was that again? Lubricating, did you say? Lubrication in conjunction with combustion? Did I hear that right? Like in what happens to it/with it when it is mixed in diesel fuel?
No, this discussion is just getting started, from my perspective, and the good Dr. shares his feelings with alot more than you might suspect. That is an objective observation you have miserably failed to change despite the quippy replies.
OK, I wasn't even going to comment on that one, but since it's such a S T R E T C H, I'll just say; Bwaaaa, haa, ha!!!!
Been keeping my 2 Cummins diesels (you know the ones in trucks, where REAL diesel technology lives?) happy for almost 4 years now. I expect those stock injectors and pumps will be lasting quite a long time - all the while reading the horror stories about failed same on forums like this.

 

let me see if my fuel can not lubricate my fuel system properly then whatever i put on to help preformance is basicly on wasted money such as the money you claim is wasted on additives

Its not a scapegoat if its true and guess what i know when my trucks and equipment have wear and tear. Also i take good care of my trucks because mine are my second income they are not just play toys.

that has no context to what he was talking about. Since you are a diesel tech you should know that the fuel we buy know has almost a gritty texture to it were before ulsd the fuel was smooth and gressy


also since you keep talking about the additives not chemcially altering the fuel and i may be wrong but nitrous and propane and water/meth do not change the fuel on a chemical level however they increase power and they also increase the amount of burn of diesel.
Once again this statement maybe wrong but that is my understanging of those additives