Well on that not. International that builds the PDS doesn't recommend and does not use it in there mid duty trucks which are the same engine as PDS the only diffrence is That ford has PUT PDS on the same engine. Anyways they recommend the use of international fluid that is strawberry red. The same as Cats elc ec-1 that I have run in all my trucks and necer had a problem with anything geling up. Regardless its important to keep up on basic maintance weather its oil or coolent, mechanical parts of the truck. I really dont think that people like you and I that really take pride in our trucks are going to mistreat our trucks. Its the people that just dont care or dont know or care to know anyhting about there investment. Throw in crap coolant and other fluids, Incorrect filters, ect. Everything man made has its limits. All I know is I like my truck and the hours of working on it while drink beer with the buddies so how much better can life get.
CHEERS ALL and HAPPY TRUCKIN.....

 

This has nothing to do with what International recommends for filters, since they're not the ones covering warranty work on your motor, it all boils down to what Ford considers acceptable for coolant in the 6.0. CAT coolant is NOT approved. None of the ELC coolants are approved from what I can tell....

Just trying to stir it back up in here and get the topic back on track...

 

http://www.dieselsite.com/index.asp?...ROD&ProdID=324


Ford 6.0, 6.4 and 7.3 Oil Bypass Systems and Billet Aluminum Filter Caps

This is the best deals i have seen on a bypass filter and coolant filter

 

After checking 4 trucks and seeing the cleaning the ELC coolant did to my truck I am all for the assomption that we need to follow the Navistar requirements and the H@@L with the crape that Ford put in our trucks.
I have been flushing diesels for the past 18 years and never once seen the gell and crap that was in my truck when I flushed it out.

What was in the hoses and the Degas tank realy opened my eyes to this major problem.
Ford will never admit to their mistakes because there 1000s of engines that have been affected by this problem. But we need to take resposibility to have clean coolant that makes our truck the best we can enjoy.

I owned cash cows before, they were GM diesels that GM technicians made fortunes by doing work on them that was never necessary . I never was convinced and had great service with those older GM diesels
When I bought my 1st diesel I was asked who was going to work on my truck, my answer was simple, I said do I come here for service and they told me NO.

Well we need to do the right maintenance and use an alternate route that will leave our engines clean and stop this cash cow that technicians have created.

 

I have no clue what you're talking about. What gelling? I've never had and Ford gold coolant gel up on me!?

Again, the ELC is not Ford approved, cash cow or not, Ford pays for my warranty repairs, why would I risk running a coolant that doesn't meet their spec and risk the fact they may deny my warranty based on that fact alone?

 

The truck runs good after it has gotten warmed up but dogs at first. Then you drive down the road with no sign of over-heating etc... When you stop the coolant is bubbling out the coolant overflow container and we are constantly having to add coolant. We had it in once when it would over heat when towing and they fixed the EGR but this truck is still not right. Starts and runs pretty good once warm and the turbo kicks in.

 

Probably headgaskets...

 

Ok well that is all fine that you want to keep ur warranty I really dont know how you can harp about coolant when your running a SCT tune in ur truck? Last I checked that was not ford approved either. Ford cannot void your warranty because you put in a diffrent coolant we are protected under a law (cant remeber what it is called) but its there and under that law we can put what ever fluid we deem right in our truck/car. Yes Ford can have a bird about it but they CANNOT Void your warranty. ANd if your so concered about FORD WARRANTY REPAIRS YOU SHOULD TAKE YOUR SCT OUT!!!! Cause to me that is hypocritical of you to run somthing that is not ford Approved but yet say the latter are not ford approved. If I feel that I would like to try out Cat or any other fluid on my truck to see what happens I have nothing to loose cause now I am footing the bill for repairs on my truck. And belive me if I find something that the fluid is doing bad for my truck I will be posting on here to warn everyone about it. But for now everything is running great. Will update after I have finished doing a head job and installing the exhaust and tunner. NO MORE WARRANTY I am free to do what ever I like to my truck now!!!!!! . Good luck all.

 

Ford certainly can void any warranty for not running an approved coolant. They don't care what you use, as long as it's approved! The chances of them actually doing this, I'd imagine are pretty slim. I know my SCT isn't approved by Ford and would void warranty as well, but guess what, I'm willing to take that risk, that is in the effort of more power. This is a coolant discussion, this exact point has already been brought up by mudstrokin. Why take a chance? Why wouldn't I just use the coolant approved by Ford, no one here has any evidence of it being a bad coolant, or any evidence that a better, approved coolant exists...

Just looking for data or tech specs or ANYTHING that says ELC will make my motor last longer than Ford's coolant.

Again, I'm not saying the ELC is a bad coolant, but like Goose has said, there is no long term testing in our motors and no evidence to back any of this up.

Comparing SCT programmer to coolant choices is apples to oranges here. I'm well aware of the risks I take running an SCT. I know those risks, I know the problems that come about from it and I know how to fix them. I can NOT say this about the coolant, and so far no one in here has been able to do so either. We want PROOF!!!








Here's some more info taken from the original link that pertains directly to this discussion...


Originally Posted by PSDPlayer
Unfortunately when you look at Ford's spec for coolant in the motor. Nitrites are needed. Specifically in the 2100-2600ppm range.

Relative to typical hybrid organic acid extended life antifreezes, the Ford specifi cation requires some notably different
properties that Zerex G-05 provides:
�� Yellow color
�� A lower pH range
�� A higher reserve alkalinity
�� A higher nitrite content
WEBA Technology Corp’s new nitrited hybrid organic acid (NOAT) antifreeze additive package, METALGUARD A65,
will allow you to make antifreeze that meets all of these requirements. Simply add it to your glycol at 2.2% by volume,
mix well, and you will have the latest high-technology antifreeze/coolant.


and more....

I'm probably stating something that has already been said and I haven't waded through all 11 pages yet, so bad on me.

But this is exactly the reason why the ELC cannot be used and maintain the warranty. The Magnusson-Moss Act states that Ford cannot dictate what fluids must be used so long as said fluids meet their OEM specifications. If the ELC does not contain the proper level of silicates to meet Ford's specs then using it voids the warranty. It's not about admitting mistakes, it's really about what they use as specs and whether you, as the consumer, want to maintain a warranty. Now on the 6.0L's, that may not be much of a concern to many...

 

Yes we want proof... but really is ford going to put there coolant up against competitors coolant? All I know is that I ran Cats coolant in my 7.3L for 350K and never had a problem with it. That right there is proof for me! Now the question is are the 7.3L and the 6L systems the same? and what I mean by the same have they changed any of the metal compounds, solder strenghts ect... in the 6.0L this must all be taken in to a factor can the 6.0L handle small modifications to coolants ie .5 more PH balance than ford specs???? Where do you start and where do you end. Really it all boils down to money. how much are we willing to pay? All I know is I am willing to try a diffrent coolant, Just like you or the next guy is willing to try diffrent mods, tunners and other upgrades. Unless someone actually runs diffrent coolant in there truck(s) there will be no proof because we know ford will us scare tatics with your warranty because really if you are having to replace things yourself 1000$ here and 1000$ there it adds up and people just dont want to spend that kinda cash. IMO ford should replace everything on a 6.0L that is proven to be faulty with upgraded parts. Who want to pay 25K - 80K for a truck that A: you dont trust and B: The high cost of repairs for the same faulty parts (when warranty is up). Anyways this picture is proof for me. Good luck