not to jump in on yalls arguement but actually here is what i have noticed. We all in my area tow and tow ALOT im talking heavy loads 20,000+ and 90% of us use cummins and the rest is spread even between ford and chevy. If you go the the local stockyards,construction site etc u dont see many fords or chevys pulling the loads. even the guys who drive em say that cummins is the best motor out there and thats all they will use for pulling. I have pulled with all three and even the new 6.7 ford and i can say i wasnt impressed one bit. I will stay with the 5.9 cummins to do my towing unfortunatly i had to sell mine and now drive a damn 7.3 and i am counting the days until im back in a cummins. All three have their good points i just look at what the majority of people who use their trucks like a diesel should be and they drive the cummins. so sorry to burst ur bubble but hp and torque numbers from the factory to me dont mean S#$T because like stated above thats what the factory says and in all reality its not the "Actual" numbers. And i do think it awesome the new dodge is finally uping their numbers but the cummins motor is tried and true. Ford has had the 7.3, 6.0,6.4 and now the 6.7??? I mean how many times do you have to build a motor before you get it right and chevy has had how many as well???? But to each his own and i believe people should drive and use what they want. But for me i see a new 2011 or 2012 dodge in my near future

 

hahaha...is that y you see people with ford and chevy droppin a CUMMINS in them? ive never ever ever seen anybody, take a powerstroke or a duramax and drop in a ford...yea the 650 and 750's come with cummins, but they also came with caterpillar...just like the chevy topkicks and kodiaks came with cat engines.....that dont mean they own them....CASE equipment uses cummins engines in just about every machine they have.....alot of the bigger case excavators use isuzu diesels.....that dont mean that CASE OWNS them. just like ford dont

 

what a moron

 

No one would be dumb enough to drop a duramax or powerstroke in a dodge that y....

 

exactly. why would they waste a good engine on a dodge. cummins may be good but dodge.....well not so much

 

I don't see your point, Dodge comes out mid year with a power and towrating increase. If it was a Ford they would call it a 2012 if it came out in feb.

I think it is obivious dodge would have like to been to the market place sooner with the power increase but the truck wasn't ready. Personally I would hate to buy a vehicle rushed to the market place.

A quick response is how you end up with warranty claims not a quality tow vehicle. Chevy has enough problems with there new truck I would hope they would spend time trying to fix before laughing at Dodge. I was at a truck pull last week a nice new duramax pulled 10 feet and his tie rod broke and the front tires kissed. Seriously a new stock truck that cant handle being put in low range and you can't put your foot to the floor. Ya thas quality 8 years with the same problem
Not to mention that new duramax I had to rescue at -30 because his urea froze and with his truck in limp mode couldn't pull his trailer load of cattle

To understand my point you need to hook a new dodge to a 30,000 pound trailer you will see the lite

 

The next thing we're going to hear is that the 7.3 diesel was Fords too and not Internationals....

 

They are no longer even partial share holders , Ford own Cummins is the biggest myth to ever hit these forums . here is the full story of greed in america

1) Isuzu owned Subaru, and sold out to Fuji Heavy Industries, which was then jointly acquired by British Leyland and Ford.

(2) BL & Ford then spun off Fuji/Subaru into an independent company. Big mistake. Ford bought BL, and owned Isuzu outright. Big mistake.

(3) Isuzu entered into a joint development partnership with Navistar International. Stock interests were traded. Eventually, one of the projects would be a 7.3L V-8 light-duty diesel. Guess who picked that one up for use in its pickup trucks?

(4) Navistar also had entered into a joint development partnership with Caterpillar. One of the projects was a direct injection system that would be picked up by -- Ford. And Isuzu mediums.

(5) Caterpillar owned a large chunk of Bosch. GM owned another big chunk. And so did a third major player -- Daimler Benz. Bosch was the primary developer of Caterpillar's direct injection system. But GM forced Caterpillar to turn over its share of Bosch, and then forced Bosch to abandon direct injection in favor of developing an "improved" generation rotary injection pumps. The initial designs for those pumps had been brought to GM by former Isuzu engineers working for Ford.

(6) What did Caterpillar receive in return for giving GM its stock in Bosch? GM's stock in Cummins. Ford then sold its small share of Cummins stock because of antitrust regulations in the U.S. Caterpillar, on the other hand, avoided antitrust problems by a joint incorporation agreement with Cummins under a Brazilian operation named Inquardo, Ltd.

(7) Eventually almost all Cummins manufacturing and design were moved over to that part of the "house". However, that move proved so efficient and profitable that Cummins began to eat into significant markets for Caterpillar, so Caterpillar merged its manufacturing and design base with Cummins in Brazil, leaving skeleton operations only in places like Peoria, Illinois. Cummins management largely pushed out Caterpillar management after several years.

( With me so far? Caterpillar owns Cummins, but Cummins has effectively "eaten" Caterpillar. In Brazil. Here, they're separate, of course, but it's only the purposes of adhering to American commercial law. But wait. There's more.

(9) Ford had some disasterous capitalization-and-flow problems after the overseas buying spree of the early nineties, during which it acquired British Leyland, Isuzu, Fuji, part of Fiat, and parts of other companies. Ford was forced to sell Isuzu to maintain cash flow beyond the U.S. Who did they sell Isuzu to? Navistar International. Along with certain manufacturing and sourcing arrangements. Navistar hoped to go global again, as in the grand old days of International Harvester.

(10) But Navistar couldn't hold on to Isuzu either, what with a $2 billion dollar loss in 1995, and eventually sold its controlling interest in the company to Daimler Benz.

(11) Isuzu was having its own problems, since its global market share in light and medium diesels was rapidly shrinking. The cause of the problem was Cummins, which, after swallowing Caterpillar - in Brazil - had also acquired NGT, Tapei Technologies, Allison Canada, and Nansen-Renault, all in hostile takeovers, all manufacturers of diesel technologies outside of the U.S. So, Cummins had effectively cornered the controlling share of the global market outside of North America and Western Europe. (Why do you think the splashgate at their website is so heavily global?)

(12) After nine months of negotiation, Cummins and its subsidiary, Allison Canada, entered into a joint development arrangement with Isuzu, owned by Daimler, and with the surviving U.S. corporation, Allison, which was at that point partly owned by GM. Cummins, however, dominated the partnership, and eventually managed to assume Daimler's and GM's interests in Isuzu and and Allison.

(13) In the case of Isuzu, Cummins has an equal partnership with Daimler, which, of course, has also acquired Chrysler Corporation. That's why, when Ford offered Cummins a billion-dollar package to manfacture medium and light truck diesels for its vehicles in 2001, Cummins said no. Again, for antitrust reasons, a public holding company was set up to handle Isuzu as a separate corporate entity. The name of the company is Benz Transporation Technologies, of San Paulo, Brazil. BTT also is a major owner of the Benz division of Daimler Chrysler, which manufacturers most of the diesel engines in Europe. In the case of Allison, Cummins controls it through a series of holding companies ending with Inquardo, Ltd., the orginal Caterpillar-Cummins creation in Brazil. Cummins also controls a fair-size block of stock in GM, through the ownership of a cartel of South Korean and Thai banks and investment groups.

(14) Navistar has continued its free-fall in spite of its partnership with Ford in the light-duty diesel area. Three weeks ago, after the implications of labor troubles, a rise in basic resource costs, and the disasterous introduction of the 6.0L PSD had become clear, Navistar's financial arrangements with Citibank and Manufacturers B&T collapsed. Both banks arranged to float the company infrastructural loans if it would agree to a merger with -- are you ready for this? -- Inquardo, Ltd. As of last Thursday, Cummins owns 67% of Navistar through Inquardo.

Right now, Cummins makes all diesels in all pickup trucks sold in the United States. Cummins makes 73% of all diesels in all trucks sold in the world. The board of directors at Inquardo -- which isn't listed on any stock exchange -- includes 9 Cummins execs, 2 Caterpillar execs, and one Wells Fargo Bank exec. The CEO and CFO are also Cummins vice presidents. And there are Cummins execs on the boards of Daimler Chrysler, General Motors, Toyota, and Honda America. Ford, the holdout, has not been doing very well.

So it isn't a question of who owns Cummins. It's a question of who Cummins owns, and who's next. Could be Ford. Could be DC. Could be both. Ford Viper, anyone? Mercedes Mustang with a 6.0L Shelby Diesel and a Holset twin turbo?

And some have claimed that the new Navistar/Ford 6.0L is Cummins' revenge for the Bosch VP44"

 

Here is a useful little tidbit

Cummins Engine Company, Inc. -- Company History

 

Personally I still favor the LML Dmax, but I wouldnt turn down a 6.7 Cummins either