87 jeep wrangler (617 coversion)
#91
el3,
your 1987 has the " not so desirable " peugeot trans from factory !! You can purchase either NV3550 or NV3500 or Aisin AX-15 for trans and if you want to change the starter over to the Driver side to keep it away from heat you can use the 97 Dodge Dakota either 3.9 V6 or 5.2 V8 BELLHOUSING .... BOTH Bells will mount the starter to driver side and keep it away from the turbo'd exhaust manifold and they have all necessary provisions to mount the clutch ( just like stock JEEP ) and .....
ALL the transmissions above mentioned will DIRECTLY bolt into the bell housing ( they share trans bolt patterns ) !!!
Hope this " inside " information helps !!!! YOU ....
The ax-15 will be smooth and the other transmissions are truck applications so they are kinda balky and not so pricise .... but much more HEAVY DUTY !!
The NV 3500 and 3550 both have 0.73 overdrive and ax-15 has 0.78 .... so the NV may get better hi-way economy !! ??????
EDIT :::: NV 4500 has been removed from the list it is not the same and needs a special adapter !!
your 1987 has the " not so desirable " peugeot trans from factory !! You can purchase either NV3550 or NV3500 or Aisin AX-15 for trans and if you want to change the starter over to the Driver side to keep it away from heat you can use the 97 Dodge Dakota either 3.9 V6 or 5.2 V8 BELLHOUSING .... BOTH Bells will mount the starter to driver side and keep it away from the turbo'd exhaust manifold and they have all necessary provisions to mount the clutch ( just like stock JEEP ) and .....
ALL the transmissions above mentioned will DIRECTLY bolt into the bell housing ( they share trans bolt patterns ) !!!
Hope this " inside " information helps !!!! YOU ....
The ax-15 will be smooth and the other transmissions are truck applications so they are kinda balky and not so pricise .... but much more HEAVY DUTY !!
The NV 3500 and 3550 both have 0.73 overdrive and ax-15 has 0.78 .... so the NV may get better hi-way economy !! ??????
EDIT :::: NV 4500 has been removed from the list it is not the same and needs a special adapter !!
Last edited by hulkgreen; 07-01-2009 at 10:27 AM.
#92
#93
You can use either trans el3,
You will need the bell and ALL associated clutch parts if you donor is post 1994 !! The post 1994 is actually an upgrade to hydraulic and supposed to be much better!!
If you want ( since you are possibly buying bell housing anyway ) ; you can find at car -part dot com the 97 dodge dakota bellhousing ( either 5.2 V8 or 3.9 V6 will work ) and put that bolt pattern into your adapter plate !! It is a direct BOLT in to either nv3550 or ax 15 transmissions and the WHOLE REASON I am suggesting is to move the starter over to the driver-side to keep it out from under the turbo and exhausts HEAT !! Extend the starters wires by 12 to 18 inches ( under the oil pan ) and YOU are good to go !!
In my OPINION !!
the ax 15 MAY not handle the power of the nv3550 ..... BUT .... the nv3550 is not as precise and CAN feel balky and noisy especially around 150,000 K !!
I have heard of the ax 15 ( behind the 4.0L ) lasting in excess of 350,000 K !!
You will need the bell and ALL associated clutch parts if you donor is post 1994 !! The post 1994 is actually an upgrade to hydraulic and supposed to be much better!!
If you want ( since you are possibly buying bell housing anyway ) ; you can find at car -part dot com the 97 dodge dakota bellhousing ( either 5.2 V8 or 3.9 V6 will work ) and put that bolt pattern into your adapter plate !! It is a direct BOLT in to either nv3550 or ax 15 transmissions and the WHOLE REASON I am suggesting is to move the starter over to the driver-side to keep it out from under the turbo and exhausts HEAT !! Extend the starters wires by 12 to 18 inches ( under the oil pan ) and YOU are good to go !!
In my OPINION !!
the ax 15 MAY not handle the power of the nv3550 ..... BUT .... the nv3550 is not as precise and CAN feel balky and noisy especially around 150,000 K !!
I have heard of the ax 15 ( behind the 4.0L ) lasting in excess of 350,000 K !!
Last edited by hulkgreen; 07-01-2009 at 09:17 AM.
#94
el31415 you will need to get your bell housing up against engine and see where your starter is going to fit.i had to move starter from original position upwards toward exaust manifold to clear bulky mercedes oil pan,and had to make new cutout in bell housing to fit starter.if this is the case with your project(which most likely will be) it doesnt make sense to buy another bell housing as you will have to make cutouts anyways.also to consider if you are thinking to move starter from one side to the other you have to make sure you get correct turn starter as you dont want it to turn over backwards.also on left side of engine you have oil filter housing and if you are not thinking of removing that you wont even be able to fit starter there.sorry for long post just my opinion
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#95
el31415 you will need to get your bell housing up against engine and see where your starter is going to fit.i had to move starter from original position upwards toward exaust manifold to clear bulky mercedes oil pan,and had to make new cutout in bell housing to fit starter.if this is the case with your project(which most likely will be) it doesnt make sense to buy another bell housing as you will have to make cutouts anyways.also to consider if you are thinking to move starter from one side to the other you have to make sure you get correct turn starter as you dont want it to turn over backwards.also on left side of engine you have oil filter housing and if you are not thinking of removing that you wont even be able to fit starter there.sorry for long post just my opinion
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Does the Mercedes turn in opposite direction of Jeep 4.0L ???? If it does not turn opposite then changing sides from driver to pass does not matter ..... You are changing sides of engine which rotates starter housing but does not flip it !! It may eliminate the problems you encountered if we change to drivers side ????!!! My PRELIMINARY measurements have the Dakota Bell starter location 2 inches below the OIL FILTER housing !! This would be a good thing !!
So ; the most important thing to know is does the Merc Diesel rotate in opposite direction from Jeep !!??????
Last edited by hulkgreen; 07-02-2009 at 04:56 PM.
#96
Okay Vlado, an 87 wrnagler should have the Peugot tranny, not an AX-15. The AX15 was introduced mid-way through 88. Either you have a Puegot, or you swapped the transmissions.....and if you swapped to an AX-15, what year is it out of? The input shafts I am told are different diameters, so it will change the bearing.
#97
Okay Vlado, an 87 wrnagler should have the Peugot tranny, not an AX-15. The AX15 was introduced mid-way through 88. Either you have a Puegot, or you swapped the transmissions.....and if you swapped to an AX-15, what year is it out of? The input shafts I am told are different diameters, so it will change the bearing.
#100
Vlado !!
You missed post 95 ...... Does the Mercedez rotate in same or opposite direction of the Jeep 4.0..... ????
I put my stuff on hold waiting to find out rotation !!!
Hey Vlado !!
While you are at it ...... why don't you transfer me some of that $70000 in casino cash you have lying around !!!
You missed post 95 ...... Does the Mercedez rotate in same or opposite direction of the Jeep 4.0..... ????
I put my stuff on hold waiting to find out rotation !!!
Hey Vlado !!
While you are at it ...... why don't you transfer me some of that $70000 in casino cash you have lying around !!!
Last edited by hulkgreen; 07-12-2009 at 10:12 AM.