starter is tucked in under pass side.pic with my hand on it is where starter would come on drivers side if switched over,and i dont think there is enough room.but you have all the room in the world on pass side.even mercedes build starter on pass side under turbo. i hope this clears it up some
you could use mercedes starter but being that is longer and you would have to relocate it to fit on larger flywheel it may hit exaust pipe or turbo,as original starter was much lower and closer to the block

 

Yeah, that clears it up....I edited my last post, as I meant to say passenger side too, but got confused with all the switching back and forth. Makes sense about the larger flywheel as well....

 

OKAY !!

So I suppose no one has the knowledge that the Dodge and Jeep have same flywheel teeth and that the Dodge has what is known as a " mini starter " !!

And since OBVIOUSLY !!! NO ONE ELSE has a 3.9 Dodge Dakota bellhousing SITTING in front of them ..... There is nothing to argue about is there !!!

It is OKAY ..... When I get back from the sandy beaches and Margaritas to show ya by example ..... Ya'll can send apolagies then !!!!

BTW .... The comment from the " peanut gallery " about " sellin somethin and ya haven't done a conversion yet !! " ................ Do you HAVE a JEEP ? Do you HAVE an OM617 ?? Then I am quite a bit farther along than you most probably !! Maybe you should not question someones mental or mechanical ability UNTIL you have concrete evidence to PROVE their theories incorrect !??????

Don't be so close minded you may learn something from ALL the knowledge base there is to be had ..... " ON THE INTERNET !!

 

I was actually trying to state that you might want to think about working out all the bugs first, before trying to sell this....like 4x4labs has been doing for the past few years.

And in response to your questions about whether I have a jeep or an OM617, what are you - 18, 19, 20? Or do you just act like that?

Gee, jeeps or OM617's....lemme see, to make it simple here is a link to the last four years or so:

Jeeps

93 ZJ, Up Country Package with tow hooks, skids, hitch, 31's
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/

95 YJ, 3" lift, 31's
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/

88 MJ Longbox Comanche, 33's for mock up
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8...D550/ry%3D400/

73 CJ5, bone stock
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8...D550/ry%3D400/

03 KJ Liberty Sport
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/

1990 MJ Eliminator Shortbox
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/

1948 CJ2A, too many mods to list
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/

1954 CJ3B work in progress, stripped to frame currently
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/


Mercedes
75 300d non-turbo w115
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/

gold 82 300sd w126
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/

black 82 300sd w126
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b8...D550/ry%3D400/

1980 Astral silver 300sd w116
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b7...D550/ry%3D400/

(can't find a pic of the 1979 300sd)

Looks like an OM617 to me:

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/

http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/

You don't know crap about me or anyone else on here, so maybe you shouldn't stick both feet in your mouth at the same time, leaving you nothing to walk on. Not sure what more to tell you, except maybe take some advice a little more graciously than acting like an ***.


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Vlado....my apologies for cluttering up your thread with the junk posted above.

I do have a question for you....A/C....any advice on this? Did you come across this in your project? The Comanche I am thinking of has A/C already....be nice to keep it if possible.

Thanks.

 

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on the other end i think we went too far from purpose of this tread.this is" BUDGET BUILD " you buy jeep,than you buy donor car or (engine from bone yard if you know what else you need).than you use all the parts you have laying around to build your ride,keep the cost at min. why would you want to buy parts that you dont need to make something that mercedes has perfected for years?

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hey dunl
i didnt have a/c on jeep to begin with and i removed my compressor and all brackets from engine.in my opinion (i havent done this before with a/c but may work).if you remove lines from both systems and take them down to your hose maker.they can make you new hosses to go from your a/c compressor of choice to firewall of your jeep.i was also going to say you can soather end fittings but i dont think hosses are long enough and may need to be strached.

P.S.hey dont mind hulkgreen i know times are hard and he thinks he can get rich selling his kits.

 

Yes , VLADO

you are correct ! This is supposed to be budget minded !! I am trying to stay on that track with less than $75 dollar salvage yard bellhousing to move the starter away from turbo's heat !

I will text message you a pic of the bell mock up I have .... It is a great idea to move the starter away from the heat ( did you see all the heat shields Mercedes installed on the OM617 to protect the starter !!) I was trying to go with the JEEP idea and put the starter on the opposite side of the exhaust manifold !

Sorry if the bellhousing you presently have makes it look impossible , but you will see in the text pictures I send it can work with the correct bellhousing !!



Dunl ....

you apparently have had many vehicles .... kudos

Try to be a little more open minded .....it is not costing YOU anything to SEE if this can work !! I will be completed and KNOW this works before anything is shipped or money exchanges hands !!

Thanks for the patience !!

 

ps:that $75 can go towards your fuel for instance. also
"i dont know what you are thinking but only what you say"

 

I no longer have the A/C from the Merc, just the engine. I think I will see if it is possible to leave the A/C in there while pulling the engine without hurting it. If so, then all I think I will need to do is mount the compressor, and like you suggested, have hoses of the appropriate length made. The current A/C runs up the passenger side, so long as I can route it around the air cleaner/turbo/exhaust.....should be okay.

I hope.

 

I'm new here. Just came across your post and it is exactly what I have been looking for. I have an OM617 MB turbo sitting in my garage waiting for a CJ or wrangler to show up. I've been researching this swap for a couple of months now and I like your approach. Stock transmission, transfer case etc. Thanks for the details with the flywheel and the pilot bushing. It seems that my intentions as a daily driver are just like yours are, mostly street driving with a tad more aggressive look (like yours)

I wanted to share a couple of links to to tach stuff. I've been posting on a Cherokee forum and ran across a guy who is very knowledgeable about the OM617 and swapping it into Cherokees. He uses the Benz auto transmission and a toyota 4 runner transfer case. His method, although good is a little more work than I was wanting to do. Your method is more along the lines of what I wanna go with. The thread has a little bit of information you might be able to use for you tach. I think the second link will be exactly what you need for your tach.

Here is the other forum I have been posting on:
Anyone on here done a Benz diesel into an XJ? - Page 2 - Jeep Cherokee Forum

If you scroll down to the bottom of this page you will find some detailed info about hooking up the sensor for the RPM and the amplifier you need.
Pictures by ulendo - Photobucket


I have the ability to put in Auto Cad all the dimensions of the flywheel, MB bolt pattern and Jeep transmission bolt pattern to make my adapter plate. Plus having a spare jeep tranney and engine in the garage makes it nice. Now all I gotta do is find a jeep to put it in.


The only concern I have with your method is this:
When the MB OM617 is machined/manufactured... the crank and flywheel are balanced as one unit. Have you had any balancing issues with your setup? I would tend to think that with your method (a different flywheel) you might see issues come up? Refer to post #20 on the above mentioned link.

 

thanks for the links i have read complete thread on it it is interesting stuff there for sure. i think you are right for tach sensor but i havent saved that amplifier or any of that stuff as i thought than i wouldnt need that
to answer your ? i havent seen any problems so far with any vibrations whatsoever but who knows what my pop up.from what i read on some forums is that you SHOULD balance it ,but i didn't(i may pay for it later,i hope not).i dont know if this is going to make sense but everybody has opinion.in my mind all these components must be near perfect balance.so with that in mind i would say that only flywheel should be balanced. lets say your starter gear stripps out and you have to replace flywheel or something happens to flywheel,are you going to stripp motor to remove crank and take everything down to machine shop to balance new flywheel?one definitly could but i would think it is crazy.maybe i just lucked out with my flywheel.maybe i have problem that i am not aware of.maybe my engine will blow apart in future becaouse of it.I dont know what may and may not happen in future,but i have so far between 2000-2300 miles driving with it and have no problems so far.think this,i wasnt sure this thing would even run when i started this project.i puled out perfectly good jeep engine with only 94000 miles on it to explore this project.i figured worst case scenario it will cost another $500 for bone yard engine,weekend worth of wrenching and drinking, if this blows up and than i will ballance everything and listen to smarter people.dont forget even tho this is my daily driver and what seems to be complete project it is still testing stage,and i think it will be as long as this jeep lives
once again this is my opinion for what is worth