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Old 02-05-2009, 05:09 AM
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its weird there are no codes according to my buddies module thingy, but what it dis was one day i went to get gas when it was low, got in it and it wouldnt start bac up. i know i put diesel in it. but i was thinking maybe it would be the fuel pump? i shot ether in it and it pretty much ran for a half second. but all it will do is crank. idk, if anyone can give me an idea that would be cool, thanks. Mike

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o btw, it had a problem starting back up when i bought, so i bought a new glow plug relay, then it started fine, and i think i only had the problem a few times since then, but it worked after i got it outa the shop so? and btw, if your gonna say bad chit about my truck get the hell on plz.
 

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Old 02-05-2009, 11:17 PM
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did you get it started yet?, have you had any other running probs? lack of power, runs rough, rough idle etc... i would imagine when you got fuel engine was warm so glow plugs not needed so thats out. if bad fuel it wouldnt happen that quick it would take a mile or two so thats out. maybe a cam sensor. these sensors are bad enough its worth keeping a wrench and spare sensor in the glove box. most of the time these fail you will not have a code.
 
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Old 02-07-2009, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jnicewan
did you get it started yet?, have you had any other running probs? lack of power, runs rough, rough idle etc... i would imagine when you got fuel engine was warm so glow plugs not needed so thats out. if bad fuel it wouldnt happen that quick it would take a mile or two so thats out. maybe a cam sensor. these sensors are bad enough its worth keeping a wrench and spare sensor in the glove box. most of the time these fail you will not have a code.
no not yet, looking into a cam position sensor, thought i saw one for 30 bucks online, so i went to kragen and a good one was 120 bucks? the dinky one was 65 so im on hold on that for a lil. but in the past, every once in a while when i would gas it hard it would cut out? i thought maybe it was cause the chip (diesel innovations) just threw to much fuel in and maybe it was getting over blown with fuel? but not really maybe a rough idle here and there but not really i only noticed a pulsy idle a few times like 5? but when the pedal is to the floor like if i need to throw dirt sometimes it would short out? which is why i dont go wheeling in it. plus the lift needs to be helped cause it was rinky dinked when i got it. just no money now so just getting it to run is 1st goal. i changed the glow plug relay in the past cause it was having starting problems. but that semmed to cure that? and it was gettin hella cold outside so that needed to be fixed. but anyways
 
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Mike,

I recently experience the same problem with my F350 7.3L Diesel (1995) and one day it just died out driving down the road and wouldn't start. I called the wrecker and asked for his recommended honest machanic (other than the Ford dealer). I told him that I was burn by the Ford dealer and I didn't want to do the same thing. Guess what, I got burn again. They charge me a hefty price to repalce the glow plug relay switch. (I replaced the glow plugs and relay switch a year ago.) The replacement of the relay switch fixed the start problem, but I am having jerking problems while driving down the road. Sometimes it would die out and the check engine light would come on, but before I can get it to a complete stop, it would run like if nothing happen. A friend also suggested replacing the cam position sensor, so I bought one for $37.00 bucks, haven't installed it yet. I was warned to be carefull when removing it, sometimes they break. I still don't understand the difference in prices, one Ford dealer quoted me $138.00, while another Ford dealer quoted me $38.00. Checker, International and Carquest all range $40.00. Hope to get it installed by this weekend.
 
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:16 PM
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I would check the cam sensor had same problem about a month ago. Does the tach register when you crank? If the tach doesn't move when you crank the CPS is bad
 
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I would say also, check the cps, I went to international, and they beat ford by at leas 25-30% and sell exactly the same parts. at least the best case, keep your old one in your glove box for later when your new one fails if it ain't the problem. I got mine for about $30 from IH. if thats not it, then check your hpop pressure, and if you aren't running at least 500 psi at cranking and at idle, then you aren't going to fire.

I set up a manual test guage for mine with a 0-4000psi guage on a 10 ft hose for about $60. btw, you have 1/4" boss o-ring fittings in all of your plugs in your high pressure oil ports in your heads. it is easy enough to rig up a guage to check it.
 
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i came here once with the question why didnt my truck start, it throws no codes according to my friends little module, so ok, i changed the cam position sensor, cranked it and it didnt start. the truck hasnt been started in over 2 months. the day it broke down was after i turned it off to get fuel, after i put 25 bucks in it, it didnt start. yes i put diesel in it. but anyway, my dads bud came over to dink with it, we shot ether into it and it wanted to fire. it actually kind of did to. but it didnt stay on. now all it does is crank. it doesnt crank like it used to though i dont think. it used to hella bump over if you know what i mean. i dont mean to tell my life story but i changed the fuel filter to the other day, i found out that its supposed to fill the little fuel thingy up with the filter in it after you drain the seperator. i changed the filter, turned the key to the on position and i heard no pumping, i do know now that my pumps not elctric but i guess il have to manually pour diesel in the thingy now and try to start it. i just dont wanna try to bump it and suck not enough fuel in and be fucked with air in the lines n all that . due to bad location and this economy BS i dont have the shop money. im sorry bout the huge letter but if anyone could tip me on another step/steps. i have tools and i aint dumb, just tip me on something. checked the fuses. maybe its my fuel pump eh? anyway to check them puckers?
 

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Old 03-10-2009, 03:36 AM
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i have changed the cps, it didnt start after that, that truck hasnt started in over 2 months. is pissin me off, i dont have the funds but i appreciate all the help though, i love my truck its beautiful but its effin me over now. i changed the fuel filter but havent bumped it over yet to try, but after i drained the out of the little seperator thingy i turned the key to on, hoping it would pump diesel into the little filter housing thingy, but it didnt, my pump isnt electric like the new ones but idk, ill try to check to see how much psi it has when its cranking(is that the compression your talkin about)

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Originally Posted by jnicewan
did you get it started yet?, have you had any other running probs? lack of power, runs rough, rough idle etc... i would imagine when you got fuel engine was warm so glow plugs not needed so thats out. if bad fuel it wouldnt happen that quick it would take a mile or two so thats out. maybe a cam sensor. these sensors are bad enough its worth keeping a wrench and spare sensor in the glove box. most of the time these fail you will not have a code.
na aint got it started yet, since that ive checked the fueses all seem to look good. new cps no start. could it be the fuel pump? i got a new fuel filter just in case. i drained the seperator thingy hella i guess cause it like never stopped draining? idk that was new to me, but anyway there was only like 2 inchesof fuel left in there so i guess before i try to start it i should manually fill it with diesel, my pump isnt electric like the new ones so.

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Originally Posted by calmurf
Mike,

I recently experience the same problem with my F350 7.3L Diesel (1995) and one day it just died out driving down the road and wouldn't start. I called the wrecker and asked for his recommended honest machanic (other than the Ford dealer). I told him that I was burn by the Ford dealer and I didn't want to do the same thing. Guess what, I got burn again. They charge me a hefty price to repalce the glow plug relay switch. (I replaced the glow plugs and relay switch a year ago.) The replacement of the relay switch fixed the start problem, but I am having jerking problems while driving down the road. Sometimes it would die out and the check engine light would come on, but before I can get it to a complete stop, it would run like if nothing happen. A friend also suggested replacing the cam position sensor, so I bought one for $37.00 bucks, haven't installed it yet. I was warned to be carefull when removing it, sometimes they break. I still don't understand the difference in prices, one Ford dealer quoted me $138.00, while another Ford dealer quoted me $38.00. Checker, International and Carquest all range $40.00. Hope to get it installed by this weekend.

ya ive had the happen a couple times to, it would be going and all the sudden it would poop out of power and then driv like nothing happened. i wonder if my engine fell out or sumthin

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Originally Posted by crazycooter
I would say also, check the cps, I went to international, and they beat ford by at leas 25-30% and sell exactly the same parts. at least the best case, keep your old one in your glove box for later when your new one fails if it ain't the problem. I got mine for about $30 from IH. if thats not it, then check your hpop pressure, and if you aren't running at least 500 psi at cranking and at idle, then you aren't going to fire.

I set up a manual test guage for mine with a 0-4000psi guage on a 10 ft hose for about $60. btw, you have 1/4" boss o-ring fittings in all of your plugs in your high pressure oil ports in your heads. it is easy enough to rig up a guage to check it.
thnx dude, one more ting, wuts da hpop? if you dont get back ill just figure it out myself but thnx
 

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Old 03-10-2009, 03:59 AM
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i would fill the canister once the filter is installed, that will help out if you don't have an electronic pump. sounds like the fuel pump took a crap on you. you can also take apart the fuel pressure regulator as the screen in there can get clogged and cause a blockage.

61067 is the part number through autozone for a new pump. it is a hair over 100 bux

if the 1996 is similar to my 1999 i had a regular OBDII scanner won't read codes on them. i had to use a friends SnapOn MODIS to read them.

is this truck mechanically injected or electronically injected?
 


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