i would like to see the proof of science behind HHO increasing the fuel efficiency of the engine it is powered from.

it is reported that electrolysis is somewhere between 50 to 80% efficient. the BTUs of HHO is probably in the range of 10 BTUs per liter. 3.414 BTU to one watt. 746 watts to one HP. diesel equals 140,000 BTUs per gallon.

to increase the efficiency of the engine so as to use one less gallon of diesel you would have to replace it with 4,103 liters of HHO. now in my tests i was getting somewhere around (lets round up for the sake of HHO) 4 liters per minute at 25 amps.

if we where to use my example of 25 amps = 4 liters per minute (other may be better but lets see where this goes). 25 amps x 14.4 volts x 60 minutes = 21.6KWh. 21.6KWh/746 watts per HP = 28.95 HP at 100% efficiency. at 4 liters per minute x 60 minutes = 240 liters per hour of HHO. 240 liters x 10 BTUs per liter = 2,400. 2,400 BTU = 0.70KWh. 0.70KWh = 0.94 HP

it takes 28.95 HP to make enough HHO to make 0.94 HP from the HHO.

now i know i didn't take into account the efficiency of all of this and my math is probably all messed up but i think it should be close.

i have also heard that the HHO acts as a "catalyst" as in it increases the efficiency of the burn of fuel in the cylinders. i now ask how much more BTUs can one get out of the fuel on a clean burning engine anyways. most of the energy is lost out of the exhaust and radiator. somewhere around 70 to 80% of the BTUs is lost from this waste heat. this leaves only 20 to 30% of the fuel to work with.

alright bash away

Jason

 

As its been mentioned many times in diesel newsgroups at one time there was a prize of 1 million dollars to who ever could prove HHO works and to date I have yet to hear of anyone claiming the Million dollars, also if it worked they would be putting one on every vehicle made and retrofitting the rest with one.

 

I believe the university of Idaho did a study of browns gas and came up with about 1% more efficiency on a big industrial diesel. There are a lot of studies and no break throughs on it as of yet.

The physics is stacked against it. Use fuel to make alt fuel and somehow get it to become perpetual.

 

Has anyone made any progress in HHO lately?

 

currently HHO generators are like:

 

YES! I did! If you want to toss $200 or $300 out your window go play in that fantasy land!!

I did for about 6 months and between an engineer friend of mine and me we became authorities on the subject.

Let me put it to you this way so NO ONE CAN dispute me:

1. Say your engine has a 5.9 liter displacement - OK? At 2000 rpms that means it's sucking in an astounding 2,950 liters of air/fuel mixture PER REVOLUTION - based on the fact that a 4-cycle engine fires (and breathes in) every-other revolution.

2. Even the best HHO scammer will tell you that his "secret" HHO design will only produce 2 liters PER MINUTE.

3. So let's do some HHO math here: So, in TWO minutes that 5.9 liter engine of yours is gonna draw in a whopping 2,950,000 cubic liters of air-fuel mix!!!!

4. Now......take into consideration that HHO generators take power to run them. Power that your alternator makes!!! LOTS of power! the bigger the HHO generator the more power they consume, the more more they draw from your electrical system and the LESS efficient they become!!! Kind of like the opposite of perpetual motion, if you will?

Do you REALLY think that 2 measly liters of HHO is gonna do anything to help your mileage? Hell no it won't! It's like flying over a forest fire and trying to put it out by having 5 stewardess pee on it, out the cabin door!! You'd have to have a HHO generator the size of manhatten in your truck and run it off 5 or 6 separate batteries that aren't connected to your truck's electrical system, in order to do you any NOTICIBLE good!!!!!!!!!

Bottom line? HHO generators in your vehicles are nothing but a scam and I challenge ANY HHO scammer to show me different. DOCUMENTED PROOF.......AS IN AN ON-BOARD COMPUTER THAT SHOWS YOUR MILEAGE, ETC.

Put a sail on your truck. It'll be a LOT cheaper and you'll actually see something from it!!!!!

 

not to disagree with you but you might want to edit this.

should be something like 1.475 cubic liters per rev and 5,900 cubic liters in two minutes at 2,000 rpm.

with these numbers the HHO to air is something like 0.068% HHO. i would also like to see it proved that this little fuel can do as much work to replace 15% of diesel.

 

It's not! save your money and time. You can't make enough HHO per minute with one to make a difference.

Anyone who says you can is a scammer.

 

75 bucks can buy you enough fuel to go a couple hundred miles. an HHO generator will take you nowhere

 

First off Hydrogen doesn't 'burn" - it EXPLODES!!..........as in BANG! There's nothing controlled about it.

#2. To illustrate how much hydrogen you're gonna get out of a HHO generator as they're being sold by all the scammers on the Internet take an eye dropper full of water and empty it in your favorite fishin' hole Did the banks overflow?

3. To get ANY efficiency out of an HHO generator you'd have to have a bank of batteries in you truck and run several generators off them, then charge the batteries off your house's 110 volt current.

Of course they didn't, and effect that puny HHO generator you can buy will have the SAME effect on your fuel mileage!!!

But if you're the kind of guy who believes no one and have an extra $200-$300 to toss out your window then go for it! Frankly I'd rather invest it in a good steak dinner and a couple Jack & Cokes!!

If you believe in hydrogen generators, you believe in perpetual motion machines!!!!!!!!!!