Amen.

If you want to complain - start with the EPA.

 

ya i wasnt trying to be negative at all just pointing out solid facts. im ot happy about it at all either, i would just feel horrible for the guy to see him drop all this money and time into his truck to not be able to drive it. i wouldnt wish that on anyone

 

I believe the rules for engine modifications WRT the EPA/smog stuff applies to just that: modifications. Every one of us running around on a Smarty or Bullydog tune is technically in violation. A wholesale engine R&R has no bearnig on that in and of itself. Resto mod vehicles with engine swaps, kit cars, what-have-you are legally licensed all the time. It has to pass smog regardless, just gets harder to do with older hardware. Older vehicles typically get exemptions or less stringent qualifications which the 05' might not. It would be up to the DMV and applicable regulations in the state where it is titled to make that call.

 

so thats a no on the 12valve in the 05?????

 

Bad idea.

 

For emissions compliance engine swaps must be of the same tier emissions. In other words, the 12V in a CR truck would fail.

Is it doable, oh yes. Garmon did a 1/2 gasser to a 12V. I bet it wasn't a weekend project either.

 

So what "tier emissions" was that, exactly?

Nobody said it wasn't "doable," just mentioned about a hundred reasons why it would be difficult, impractical and/or expensive. 12v into a gasser, whole nuther ball 'o wax.

 

I think it would be a unconditional "you will have more problems and costs than rebuilding the CR engine" type answer.

 

I understand what was meant. Sorry if I came off too abrasive.

Well, you can't pull a 6.7 in favor of an 5.9 CR. The emissions requirements are different. Whatever you install must meet the same requirements as the motor its replacing.

 

Not abrasive, just questionable - no prob. The emissions requirements I believe you are referring to are the EPA standards for newly manufactured vehicles. Dodge doesn't want the stuff on there any more than we do. But they have to meet EPA regs for manufacture applying to current model year vehicle classes, which in the case of consumer diesel pickups also included higher NOX and particulate limits starting in 2010. Dodge's big selling point with the 6.7 starting back in late 2007 was they were emissions compliant 2 years ahead of schedule. Whoop-de doo.

Once it belongs to a private party the only Federal emission requirements are a basically unenforceable restriction to modifications affecting emissions. That's why some of the go-fast parts we use have little disclaimers in the fine print about off-road use only and stuff like that. Loopholes. Loosely interpreted it could apply to almost anything from engine parts to tires. That's why it's unenforceable. The only enforceable smog laws after that point are state and local regulations applied through registration requirements and random checks done by those authorities. So yes, you could put a 5.9 in an '09 model year truck and be legal as long as it passes the state inspection and gets plates on it. It might be technically illegal by Federal law, depending on how the modification is interpreted. But unless you had a really smart grease monkey at the testing station they'd never know, and in all reality probably don't care as long as they get their fee, the state gets it's tax/fees, and it passes their specs which vary widely from one place to another across the country. Still none where I live, but they're working on it.

It's kinda like the big hubbub about simple marijuana possession of small amounts being de-criminalized and even totally legal in alot of places nowadays, but technically against Federal narcotics laws. That'll be the day when we start getting pulled over by the EPA goons for random smog checks. I suppose it could happen, probably will, but hopefully not in my lifetime.