Bob is right. One of my friends owns a Cummins/semi shop in Dallas and Cummins in the Dodge, and Cummins in industrial world is very different. Cummins sells Dodge their 5.9 motor with NO warrenty, and NO electronics. All the timing, injection, ect, are dodge products and not Cummins.

I wouldn't say that Dodge is "running down" their image at all. Even still these motors are rated to 300,000 miles. While Powerstroke and Duramax are rated to 150,000 miles. Something is wrong with the 04.5 and 05 models though from what it sounds like.

 

Fine except mine is a 05, and already I know I need to change injectors before 100000 and hope mine isn't one with the rings going bad and I do the by-pass to help cool number 5 and 6 and pray work picks up so I can afford to keep it running, and eating would be nice too!

 

If you're only at 100k, you can probably have Jeff Garmon (or somebidy else) do a check and install new nozzles for under $100 each vs. $300-400 for factory rebuilds. The engine rebuilder doing my engine said that the gouge was most likely due to over fueling from an injector, so they suggested extra filtration (AirDog or equiv), which should lengthen the life span of the redone injectors.

He's got mine right now, in fact.

Bob
Garmons Diesel Performance Home

 

Nozzles wont fix a damaged injector or body. We can have the factory unit remaned for about $155.00 a peice but if there's a cracked body you'll have no choice but to buy a new injector!
If you are comfortable doing the work yourself, give me or shea a call tommorow and we'll get you set to have your injectors checked out! All you'll have to do is R&R them!

 

Just curious, if the return circuit (ball and seat) are worn or damaged, and the injector is returning fuel at too low a pressure, will your $155 rebuild replace THOSE parts as well?

My understanding was that a bad return circuit can ONLY be repaired/rebuilt by a rebuilder like Bosch, or by F1, who appears to have a proprietary fix w/o using factory parts.

In my case, Jeff Garmin in GA (Garmons Diesel Performance Home) tested my injectors for flow, return, and spray pattern and said that they were all absolutely like new. Total charge was $30/ea for testing to 23kpsi.

That was nice, but leave me up in the air why my #1 cylinder had a large (5/16" wide, maybe 0.020" deep) vertical gouge and was blowing LOTS of blow-by out the draft tube.

For what it's Jeff said that depending upon what abrasive was in the fuel, the nozzles CAN wear, screwing up the cylinder walls as fuel is misdirected and washing the oil off the walls.

Bob

 

First of all, IIRC Don M, or Jeff eaither one dont have the capabilities to do a full test on the CR Injector. Only a handfull of Bosch centers around the US can. Our Rebuilder takes the injector does a complete diagnoses, Call's us and gives his recomendation.
If the injector is in rebuildable shape, It leaves their shop in a fully operational state. Whats changed in the injector depends on whats worn and damaged.
The Parts F1 uses ARE bosch products. I've also got multiple customers with legal cases on Don Morrison. I cant discuss in regards to what but I will say it's involving CR injectors and poor repair and customer relations.
Abrasives in the fuel? with a 2 Micron filter, and proper water draining and filter draining methods I just dont see that much wear of a nozzle.

PM me and I'll be glad to discuss further!

Lucas

 

This entire post is bogus Lucas. Once again you have slandered me and F1 Diesel.

Please allow me to correct the lies below:

Firstly, we dont use only Bosch parts during remanufacturing. We have a wide range of manufacturers parts available. We also have the test equipment to fully test all CR injectors. Not just the Cummins, Isuzu, etc, but all CR injectors from BMW, Mercedes, etc. We can also test the newest Piezo injectors. We also test and remanufacture the 6.7 liter coded injectors. Our Customers include Dodge Dealerships nationwide and many aftermarket performance vendors. We have remanufactured over 500 sets in just the past 2 years. This is over 3000 individual injectors.

An earlier poster pointed to a process we have to repair ball seats. This is correct. We have this process and use it often. We have worked with European tool manufacturers on the design and implementation of the repair tooling. We have been doing this for over 3 years now. We also designed the test procedures to check the ball seats for excessive leakage in the control chamber before even trying to repair the seats with our process. We developed and sold the tooling idea. This tool will be available for other rebuilders on the open market soon. In the event a ball seat cant be remanufactured, we have NEW parts to replace them with.

There is a ton of misinformation floating around all over the forums about CR injector remanufacturing, the tooling and test equipment needed and the methods that actaually work I cant possibly keep up with them.

Let me be very frank here. We were the first to offer a remanufactured CR injector to the Cummins community. Other shops tried like crazy to deflect this money saving move. They told everyone that would listen that "parts were not available" "Bosch has not taught anyone how to do it yet" "the test equipment is only available in Europe" We have heard it all and of course we went on saving people lots of money by remanufacturing their injectors for a low cost while the other shops had to charge 400-500 bucks for a Bosch reman. Many of our injectors that we reman's as far back as 2005 are still on the road. Some with hundreds of thousands of miles on them.

Lastly, no one is suing F1. No one is suing me. None of your customers you cant speak about are suing me either. Your full of it Lucas.

There are events and there are patterns. A single event when someone posts slander on the internet is just an event. But you and others have a "pattern" of posting BS lies about me and F1. I demand this site respond and delete your BS lies. I demand you delete it and apologize as well. You can get this site and yourself into lots of trouble by posting lies on here.

Im certain I will get banned for defending our name and hard work on this site, but like everything else in life the truth finally comes out in the end.

Finally, Garmons test equipment will also test all CR injectors without a problem. I know the guys who sold him the equipment and have used the equipment myself here locally. It works 100% to fully test them all.

 

Cheaper and better ways of keeping injectors working , I love it

 

Don,
I appreciate your reply.
I'm not getting in a match with you. And you can see I've said plenty of good things.
You telling Olee Poole that I must have been "installing" the injectors incorrectly, Well thats just a way out I guess. I wont go into the details on that but If you would like me to I will.
I'll also post the Information one of my customers typed up, We can post the letter that DieselNut Wrote.....
As far as everything else goes , I guess It'll come out in time. I still think you've built some of the best VP Injectors that I've ever seen. I brag to everyone about your VP injectors.
If you had taken care of Me, The THREE customers that I HAD TO PAY FOR NEW INJECTORS FOR, Or Olee Poole, this would have never been an issue. I know you, I know your ways. I'm not trying to hurt your company, or your feelings but If you would like me to post the 50 + Emails between Olee poole, You and April and Myself I'll be glad to...Maybe we can get the say other 100+ folks that have had issues with your injectors in a CR involved.
Look, I'm not trying to attack you and thats obviously what your doing.
I'm not an injector man, Never claimed to be, and that plenty obvious, But What I posted came directly from over 20 Bosch Shops nationwide. If you dont like it, Call them!
If you have somthing you would like to discuss, and see if we cant get some common ground Call me, You've always had my number and never called..Just April. I'll be glad to talk to you, You explain your side and what your "really" getting at here. And I'll consider changing my post if you can give me factual information and be straight up with me.
If I'm wrong, I dont have a problem saying I was so just call me and we'll talk it out.

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IIRC = If I remember correctly.

But you told me in an email the only thing you couldnt do was rapidly actuate the injector.
While the Bosch Stands and the new Hartridge CR Stand will.

Secondly...According to say a handful of folks you "WERE" using core parts to fix injectors with problems before parts were available...Is that not correct?

I've got a call into the two customers that are in the process of taking legal action, If it's okay with them, I'll post their names and a contact number to those interested in speaking directly to the customer.

What test bench are you using Don? Just curious not trying to start a war or anything...Just asking




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And since we're on the topic, I thought some of the viewers might like to do some reading regarding the test benches so all this makes more sense

Hartridge Ltd
The Bosch Site also has some great information.

 

Again, most of your information is incorrect.

Im not sure what part of "we can fully test injectors" you dont understand.

We can fire the injector multiple times to simulate up to 4 injection events per injection cycle. Our bench is fully programable for whatever we want or need.

Garmons bench will fire the injector up to 3 times. Enough to test the whole array of CR injectors used in our trucks.

Please provide these peoples names who are ( according to you ) suing me or F1. So we may file counter actions. The only time we did any business with you was through Olee about 18 months ago.

For everyone else; please understand that if you are using any high performance part in your truck there is well established precendent in the courts for this kind of stupidness. It is fully understood that if you modify a licensed vehicle for street operation and it fails, breaks, blows up, runs crappy, etc it IS ALL YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. You are now providing your own warranty and your own cost to repair damaged parts and pieces. If an individual can not pay the bill to modify a truck or lose time from work or play, they should leave their vehicles in an OEM trim. We have had this conversion in the past. Vendors all know it and end users know it to. The courts certainly know it. Modifying a street licensed vehicle is also very illegal in the feds eyes. Is this were we are going now? Stop the retarded childish crap. Pay your own way in life. Lucas I am old enough to be your father. Last I heard you were not old enough to buy alcohol yet. Sub 20 years.

Please go lie about someone else and delete your incorrect and slanderous posts. It is my final request.