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245 hp 01 misfire cylinder new pump new injector good compression

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Old 02-27-2014, 08:33 AM
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Im nust saying i have seen that type of issue befor and with a gas motor it was hard to find it was a hair line crack and it let the roller on the end of the arm bend up not allowing the valve to open if i remeber right it only would open 1/32 of a inch as much as we could messure when the motor was runing and valve cover off not saying this is the issue with his but as this type of issue and the amount of investigating he has performed hes kinda looking and this type of mechanicle failure or pump wouldnt you say...no matter witch way fuel is nott getting to that cylinder gets good compression tells me head gasket is good piston is good ...he said there is white smoke so there is fuel not geting burnt what if the timing is off were the motor is double feeding a cylinder and just not giving fuel to #1 cylinder dont know if that is a stretch but at this point
 
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Old 02-28-2014, 11:56 AM
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Old 03-08-2014, 07:25 PM
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I finally checked the valves. A little loose but not enough for an issue. I tightened them to spec and still have a miss. Starting to lean towards pulling the head for inspection. Thanks
 
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Old 03-08-2014, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by davidthomas
I finally checked the valves. A little loose but not enough for an issue. I tightened them to spec and still have a miss. Starting to lean towards pulling the head for inspection. Thanks
I think I would try a pump first!

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Old 03-10-2014, 10:15 AM
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How does the vp work with the injectors. It seems like the fuel getting in the cylinder due to the white smoke. Is it needed at a certain pressure to spray correctly? I talked to pump company it's 145 for the swap so I am debating a dealer diagnosis due to the laptop hookup, the new vp, or pulling the head.
 
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Old 03-10-2014, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by davidthomas
How does the vp work with the injectors. It seems like the fuel getting in the cylinder due to the white smoke. Is it needed at a certain pressure to spray correctly? I talked to pump company it's 145 for the swap so I am debating a dealer diagnosis due to the laptop hookup, the new vp, or pulling the head.
Dealer witech/drb won't do anything more than what you've done. I can tell you that the pump can and will cause a misfire on single cylinders which can be caused by low output pressures.
In the photo above you see a common rail which dropped a valve seat and bent a valve. Now understand that a cr and vp handle contribution much differently, however the truck was at 150psi of compression on said cylinder and no misfire or contribution issue was found on cylinder 1. We could hear it, and tell something wasn't right but it wasn't a dead miss! I just honestly can't see that with your compression numbers you have a mechanical misfire. I may be wrong, it's just an opinion so who knows. If you crank the truck with the vp unplugged does the cranking sound consistent? No highs or lows indicating that one cylinder draws less amperage?
I think I would call the pump company and explain that you'll send this one back when the new one is installed and if it fixes the problem they should obviously be responsible for the fee.

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Check and make sure you don't have two injector lines swapped.

Troubleshoot from the cylinder to the IP. Sitting five years? I'd pull the head, no questions asked. New head gasket, and inspect head. I'd be willing to bet your IP isn't the culprit, with one cylinder no fire.

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Are you SURE the white smoke smells like diesel?
 

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Originally Posted by davidthomas
I installed a new ip and have had white smoke and a misfire in #1 cylinder. Replaced injector to see if that was it. Still nothing, finally got around to compression which i did 1 and 2 to get a good and bad reading. Both read about 475 psi. No idea what to check next.

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Forgot to mention its an 01 6spd 3500

Just to follow up you realize he mentioned he had good compression?

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Old 03-15-2014, 03:43 PM
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I bought the 01 chrysler dodge diesel powertrain diagnostics manual to understand what all possibilities can be. Should be here in about a week.

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And yes positive its a diesel smell. Positive lines are not swapped. Could too much fuel in cylinder be the cause? If so how is that possible.
 

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Old 03-15-2014, 10:05 PM
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Just want to make sure you did check the clocking pin on the vp shaft to make sure 100% that it is lined up with the gear ...there is only so many options that could cause this problem if it aint your powertrain ...can you get your hands on another pump to see what happens even a used one maybe just for testing ??? You seem to have tested everything that doesnt require lots of $$$ to test with the exception of testing the vp with your OWN eyes they may have sent you a bad pump and told you it was good cause they already made there money didnt want to make it easy on you ...it happens just my opinion...
 


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