1st Generation Dodge Cummins 89-93 Discussion of 12 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with Rotary Injection Pumps

killer dowel pin

Old Jun 25, 2011 | 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by hagerty_justin
I just did my KDP on my 1989 6bt, I used a 40mm bolt and a piece of 1/2 flat bar that I cut a chunk out of because the 89-93s have a different case. I got a new gasket and seal. i got some pictures of how it looks.




All in all it was pretty simple, just drilled a hole, made a template (cardboard) and cut it out with plasma. Then took my cut off wheel and cut the notch into it, and did some filing to finish it off. Loctite and a lock washer should keep it from moving.... I hope
Any reason you did not go with RTV instead of the original gasket? Any tips or issues with getting the new timing cover front seal in?
 
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by jdbigblue12v
i was wondering if wen i do the tab, can i use some type of adhesive to fill the hole with the pin in there on my 93
I can't remember which is stronger, red or green Loctite. Whichever is stronger, use that.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sootnsmoke
Did you replace the front seal or just put the cover back on with the old one? Did you remove and thread lock the 5 gear case bolts of just check torque on them? Was there a reason you went with a cover gasket rather than just RTV?
i replaced the front seal, wear sleeve too. i put a p pump on my truck so i was doing alot of work. im not a fan of rtv, i hate it with a passion. i spend the money everytime for gaskets. gaskets makes everything look cleaner
 
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hagerty_justin
II used a 40mm bolt and a piece of 1/2 flat bar...
That chunk of steel you just bolted in there is bigger than the one it it supposed to be protecting against.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by forgasm
i replaced the front seal, wear sleeve too. i put a p pump on my truck so i was doing alot of work. im not a fan of rtv, i hate it with a passion. i spend the money everytime for gaskets. gaskets makes everything look cleaner
Ok. I was thinking about going with the Cummins gasket as well. Then I thought about the difficulty of keeping the gasket on that hugh cover perfectly in place while trying to get the seal over the crank shaft. Did you let your gasket set up on the cover with some type of adhesive to keep it in place when installing that cover? There was a wear sleeve on there...so I take it the seal was replaced previously then?
 
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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Use some sewing thread and tie it to the cover until you start the bolts then cut it off.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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A drop of engine builders grease or white lithium grease will hold the gasket in place. Or get two bolts of the same thread size, and making sure they will be long enough, cut the heads off. Now you have a pair of guide studs. If you want to get extra fancy you can take your cutting wheel to them and cut a place for a flathead screw driver to go on the shank of the bolt. Slip the gasket over the studs so it doesn't go anywhere, then put the cover back on. 2 cover bolts later, take the studs out and viola!
 
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Old Jun 26, 2011 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sootnsmoke
Ok. I was thinking about going with the Cummins gasket as well. Then I thought about the difficulty of keeping the gasket on that hugh cover perfectly in place while trying to get the seal over the crank shaft. Did you let your gasket set up on the cover with some type of adhesive to keep it in place when installing that cover? There was a wear sleeve on there...so I take it the seal was replaced previously then?
i live on a farm and we had this gasket adhesive we got from our local case ih dealer, it worked good held the gasket on no problem. it was like $3. it was just called gasket adhesive
 
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Old Jun 26, 2011 | 05:56 PM
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Appreciate the feedback. As I am new to Cummins motors so I just want to make sure I get all info ahead of time. I don't care about the extra cost of a gasket only want to do the job once. Don't want to have to pull it right back apart again because of an oil leak at the cover. I know the TST kit folks use Grey RTV. Not sure how well that works out while trying to get the new crank seal slipped over the alignment sleeve. That 1/8 inch bead of RTV might not work out to well...
 
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Old Jun 26, 2011 | 06:18 PM
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I bought a 98 12 valve dodge for a cummins swap in a 89 chevy crew cab . Before I dropped it in I did the dowel pin , and after 183,xxx it was out about 3/16 of an inch. I peened it , then tabbed it , and tightened the case bolts (which were also loose) . In my mind it was the best time I have spent with the engine. Just my .02
 
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