12 Valve 2nd Gen Dodge Cummins 94-98 Discussion of 12 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with P7100 Injection Pumps

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Old 03-13-2009, 07:35 AM
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I have a 96 12 valve that i just started playing with. I've owned a lot of Cummins, but never tuned on any of them. Reading the threads on here has caused me to have a lot of probably stupid questions, but here I go anyway. I am assuming that delivery valves and injectors are two different things?? Also fuel plates; can I gain hp by making the slot longer in the stock plate, what happens when you take the plate out? Is there an easy way to get more boost out of the turbo? Thanks in adavnced for nay help.
 
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:06 PM
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I am assuming that delivery valves and injectors are two different things??
Correct! The delivery valves are on top of the injection pump. 6 in a row. The injectors are in the head 1 at each cylinder.

Also fuel plates; can I gain hp by making the slot longer in the stock plate
No, you need to change the plate "profile", or curves at the front.
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what happens when you take the plate out?
The plate actually limits the amount of fuel to the injectors at wide open throttle, so running plateless means the fuel to the injectors is unlimited.

Is there an easy way to get more boost out of the turbo?
More fuel is needed for more boost. The wastegate on the turbo limits the amount of boost by bypassing some of the exhaust gasses, so a "boost fitting" will allow some higher boost.

A little more info here; CumminsDatabase.com :: Turning Up A P7100 Pump

It is VERY important to install gauges, at least EGT, before modifying fuel on a diesel. They can easily get hot enough to damage the aluminum parts.
 
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Thanks for the help, specially the drawing.
 
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:20 AM
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here is the article by Dieselminded.........he wrote the one for CF to but they say arther is unknown

The steps for turning up a P7100 pump are:
1) Remove your AFC Housing
2) Mod Your Fuel Plate either slide it forward or purchase a cut one
3) Adjust the governor lever to contact the fuel plate
4) Crank the star Wheel Towards the motor
5) Slide The AFC housing all the way forward
Details Below......

First of all Know Your Pump
Only 1994-1998 trucks have the P7100 Pump
The Control Parts List number or CPL number is located on the engine data plate, which can be found on the drivers side of the timing gear cover. The engine data plate includes such information as the CPL number, engine serial number, and pump timing information.
Engine Model

160hp

180hp

215hp
(California)
195 HP
CPL
Numbers
1549, 1550
1551, 1552
1553, 1815
1816, 1959
1839, 1968
2022
2174
2023
2175
1863
AFC Removal


If you do almost any pump work you have to take the AFC housing off.
Remove front passenger side AFC housing break off screw. NOTE: This screw is a factory break off screw with rounded head and no screw driver, allen head or TORX slot. Use a hand impact tool with a 6 inch long 1/4" extension and a T15 TORX bit to remove this screw. A center punch may be required to start a hole in the center of this screw. Set the hand impact tool in the removal position (counter clockwise) and use light hammer taps on the impact tool to loosen this screw. Tap progressively harder on the impact tool until the screw loosens. This method of removal forms a TORX shape into the screw allowing it to be reinstalled later with the T15 TORX bit. In some cases the hole in the top of this screw is too large for the T15 bit thus use the T20 TORX bit. There is usually a lock washer and flat washer under each of these screws. OPTIONAL: A sharp chisel can be used to remove the break off screw by making a notch in the outside diameter of the head, then applying a tangential force with light blows to the chisel counterclockwise to remove the screw.

AFC Cut Away

Fuel Plate


With the AFC housing removed you can now see the fuel plate .
Sliding the stock plate will increase HP quite a bit. However, the stock plate profile is not designed for that so the result is usually EGT problems. Home ground plates are not a good idea either. Pump experts say to NEVER remove the plate completely. There is a pin in the pump that will eventually wear and break causeing very expensive damage. Slide the plate ATW Foward and if you still want more contact TST for a Cut Plate , they will recommend one for your truck

This is what it looks like under the fuel plate
Governor Lever Adjustment


This is a cut away view of the governor of a P7100 pump. Notice how the lever hit the cam plate flush at the very bottom edge. To check your adjustment the throttle lever needs to be moved until the lever just touches the cam plate. With the AFC housing removed, look down through the opening behind the cam plate and see where the lever is striking the plate. This should be done with the Fuel Shutoff Solenoid in the run ( or pulled up ) position.
Where the lever strikes the cam plate will vary depending on the style and design of the cam plate you are using. For plates similar to the stock plate, like shown below, this lever is set correctly. It is adjusted so the lever is flush with the bottom edge of the plate, and does not ride under the plate.
(Picture Courtesy of BD Power)

For cam plates, like a TST #6 for example, that have a taper at the very bottom of the plate, adjust the lever so the lever hits at the tip of the bottom nose on the plate. It is OK to be slightly below that. However too far down causes the lever to be held back as the RPM's rise. This causes the loss in bottom end power, with the sudden surge as the lever finally clears the nose and hits the main fueling curve.
 
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