National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act
#11
11-17-2011, 01:49 AM
Diesel Wrench
I don't like it unless it comes with a law that standardizes issuance and language of carry permits. It would completely undermine any state, county or city's gun policy. This isn't a little bill, I don't see how it wouldn't essentially give every community in the country the same weapons permitting that as the community with the weakest permitting.
I wouldn't mind seeing laxer weapons control laws, but forcing reciprocity over state's rights to control weapons isn't the answer. A state or local entity needs to be able to put people inside under a blanket of laws, no matter where they live or are from.
I'll be damned if I want a bunch of armed ornery cajun coonass tourists running around my block when I'm not allowed to be armed myself.
I wouldn't mind seeing laxer weapons control laws, but forcing reciprocity over state's rights to control weapons isn't the answer. A state or local entity needs to be able to put people inside under a blanket of laws, no matter where they live or are from.
I'll be damned if I want a bunch of armed ornery cajun coonass tourists running around my block when I'm not allowed to be armed myself.
#13
11-17-2011, 10:44 AM
Diesel Bomber
Not everybody wants this to pass.....and quite a few gun owners actually want it to fail....as gun owners are our own worse enemy....
Gun Owners of America
Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill
Passes House
Troubling Amendment Added
The House passed national concealed carry reciprocity legislation on Wednesday evening by a vote of 272-154.
The bill, H.R. 822, is intended to allow persons who hold a concealed carry permit from one state to also carry anywhere in the country, with the exception of Illinois and Washington, D.C.
Though the bill passed by a wide margin, it was not without controversy on the pro-gun side of the debate. In previous alerts, GOA has pointed out several flaws in the legislation:
It forces Vermont residents (who do not need a permit to carry) to either obtain an out-of-state permit or to push their state to pass a more restrictive concealed carry law than it now enjoys;
By requiring permits for reciprocity, the bill undermines efforts at the state level to pass constitutional carry (i.e., Vermont-style carry);
In restrictive “may issue” states, the bill allows for non-residents to carry firearms in the state while most residents would still be prohibited, and;
The bill is yet another example of Congress distorting of the Constitution’s Commerce Clause.
Representative Justin Amash (R-MI), who voted against the bill, addressed this last point in a statement, calling H.R. 822 “an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing.”
Another freshman Representative, Rob Woodall (R-GA), noted that the right to carry a concealed firearm is already protected by the Second Amendment.
“If the Second Amendment protects my rights to carry my concealed weapon from state to state to state, I don’t need another federal law,” Rep. Woodall said. He went on to remind his colleagues of the original intent of the right to keep and bear arms.
“I don’t believe the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights to allow me to shoot targets [or] hunt for deer and turkey. I think the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights so that I could defend my freedom against an overbearing federal government.”
Anti-gun Amendment Passes
One extremely troubling amendment to the bill was slipped in on a voice vote. Sponsored by Republican David Reichert (“C” rated by GOA), the amendment instructs the Government Accounting Office to:
“Conduct a study of the ability of State and local law enforcement authorities to verify the validity of licenses or permits, issued by other States, to carry a concealed firearm.”
Nowhere in the Constitution is there even a hint of authority for the federal government to “study” the exercising of a right. Even worse, you can be sure that anti-gunners will use any excuse, including this study, to push for some type of national carry license.
The bill now heads to the Senate, where GOA is already working with key Senators to address ALL of the problems with the bill. GOA is also working with Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) on legislation, H.R. 2900, that takes a constitutional approach to concealed carry recognition.
You can click here to send you own Representative a message urging him or her to become a cosponsor of H.R. 2900.
Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will bounce back as undeliverable.
Please foward this e-mail to friends and family
Gun Owners of America
Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill
Passes House
Troubling Amendment Added
The House passed national concealed carry reciprocity legislation on Wednesday evening by a vote of 272-154.
The bill, H.R. 822, is intended to allow persons who hold a concealed carry permit from one state to also carry anywhere in the country, with the exception of Illinois and Washington, D.C.
Though the bill passed by a wide margin, it was not without controversy on the pro-gun side of the debate. In previous alerts, GOA has pointed out several flaws in the legislation:
It forces Vermont residents (who do not need a permit to carry) to either obtain an out-of-state permit or to push their state to pass a more restrictive concealed carry law than it now enjoys;
By requiring permits for reciprocity, the bill undermines efforts at the state level to pass constitutional carry (i.e., Vermont-style carry);
In restrictive “may issue” states, the bill allows for non-residents to carry firearms in the state while most residents would still be prohibited, and;
The bill is yet another example of Congress distorting of the Constitution’s Commerce Clause.
Representative Justin Amash (R-MI), who voted against the bill, addressed this last point in a statement, calling H.R. 822 “an unconstitutional bill that improperly applies the Commerce Clause to concealed carry licensing.”
Another freshman Representative, Rob Woodall (R-GA), noted that the right to carry a concealed firearm is already protected by the Second Amendment.
“If the Second Amendment protects my rights to carry my concealed weapon from state to state to state, I don’t need another federal law,” Rep. Woodall said. He went on to remind his colleagues of the original intent of the right to keep and bear arms.
“I don’t believe the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights to allow me to shoot targets [or] hunt for deer and turkey. I think the Second Amendment was put in the Bill of Rights so that I could defend my freedom against an overbearing federal government.”
Anti-gun Amendment Passes
One extremely troubling amendment to the bill was slipped in on a voice vote. Sponsored by Republican David Reichert (“C” rated by GOA), the amendment instructs the Government Accounting Office to:
“Conduct a study of the ability of State and local law enforcement authorities to verify the validity of licenses or permits, issued by other States, to carry a concealed firearm.”
Nowhere in the Constitution is there even a hint of authority for the federal government to “study” the exercising of a right. Even worse, you can be sure that anti-gunners will use any excuse, including this study, to push for some type of national carry license.
The bill now heads to the Senate, where GOA is already working with key Senators to address ALL of the problems with the bill. GOA is also working with Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) on legislation, H.R. 2900, that takes a constitutional approach to concealed carry recognition.
You can click here to send you own Representative a message urging him or her to become a cosponsor of H.R. 2900.
Please do not reply directly to this message, as your reply will bounce back as undeliverable.
Please foward this e-mail to friends and family
#14
11-17-2011, 11:08 AM
Diesel Wrench
Alabama used to be like Vermont. It still is an open carry state but the laws have been so muddy that most don't believe it when told it is perfectly legal to OC in AL. The problem came during the Civil Rights Movement when the state wanted a way to kepp blacks from carrying a firearm. So you had to be issued a ccw permit which was made to be impossible for a black person. So now you have to pay $25 a year to ccw or carry in your vehicle
#15
11-17-2011, 12:23 PM
It's not going to make anything worse for vermont residents. Just wony make it better either. They can still carry in state, they never could carry out of state anyway because they have no permit. Nothing changes for them. Where now of they get a vermont permit, which lets be honest will be crazy easy to obtain i would imagine based on the law now, they will be able to carry out of state, something they can not curently do...
#16
11-17-2011, 07:23 PM
Diesel Bomber
Alabama used to be like Vermont. It still is an open carry state but the laws have been so muddy that most don't believe it when told it is perfectly legal to OC in AL. The problem came during the Civil Rights Movement when the state wanted a way to kepp blacks from carrying a firearm. So you had to be issued a ccw permit which was made to be impossible for a black person. So now you have to pay $25 a year to ccw or carry in your vehicle
Handgunlaw.us
Google search "jim crow" gun laws...they date back to slavery when slave owners did not want slaves to revolt and as such made it illeagl for them to own weapons...
The funny thing is if ya look at the people who support gun laws the majority of them fall from one of two camps...slave owners or slaves...and they still want guns laws...to protect the childern instead of putting away the criminals....
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It's not going to make anything worse for vermont residents. Just wony make it better either. They can still carry in state, they never could carry out of state anyway because they have no permit. Nothing changes for them. Where now of they get a vermont permit, which lets be honest will be crazy easy to obtain i would imagine based on the law now, they will be able to carry out of state, something they can not curently do...
Heck here we now have no permit needed if you are a state resident..if you want to carry outside of the state in a state that honors our permit you can get one if you want...
Last edited by Ramprat; 11-17-2011 at 07:23 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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