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How are their tactical vests? Im looking at one it goes for about $50 bucks. Seems cheap compared to the specialforces.com vests. I want a simple one, holds a handgun a few magazines and a few pockets i hate the big ones. Im also looking for a decent shotgun scabbard.

This is the vest im looking at
http://swfa.com/NcStar-Tactical-Vest-P49810.aspx

Then heres the shotgun scabbard
http://swfa.com/NcStar-Tactical-Shot...rd-P49861.aspx

Im buying this stuff for a halloween costume but mainly just incase this country goes to hell and we all gotta fight. Plus its cool as hell to wear at the gun range or whenever your shooting.

junk, but would make a cheap throwaway costume....

as far as wearing it at the range...no...unless ya want to be known as "that guy" and a joke..

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Dude....if that's the case...invest in training 1st...gear 2nd...learn 1st then ya will know what kind of gear to go with....

Anything NcStar is junk....anything...specialforces.com is no much better...

I have a couple vests from my local surplus store, they cost me about $15 each and are pretty decent. They're actual military pieces, but I'm wondering if they were classified as "irregulars" because I've found some of the PALS webbing to be different sizes and they were frayed a bit on some of the stitching and such, but overall in good shape. The pic shows the vest, and my other one is the same except is ACU pattern. I'll agree it does add to the "fun factor" of shooting.

As for a shotgun scabbard, I know VooDoo Tactical makes one like that, but I'm sure quality is going to be similar.

Ramprat makes a valid point, train first. Get proficient with your weapon, then get the gear you want and continue to train with that gear. The best part of MOLLE gear is that you can change it really easily for different weapons or whatever.

Thanks guys looking into a tactical pistol training course. Hopefully the hipoint will be up for the challenge lmao done good so far!

oh god....

While I'm not saying it wont.... be prepared to get laughed at... Hard.

I guess thats like me when im at the mx track and some goon shows up on a clapped out 96 125cc and thinks he is fast lmao.

Ill wait til i get my xd i think lol.

Naaaaaa, take your hi point to a magpul class, make history as the 1st person to ever take a hi point to a training class....:choochoo::choochoo::choochoo::choochoo:

Hey atleast im shooting...:tu:

And that's good.....but once ya get a real pistol ya will realize what a boat anchor the hi point is....

you mean xds arent a blowback pistol design?:humm: LMAO

XD Essentials Package 9MM 4" BLACK SERVICE - XD9101HC

XD Essentials Package 9MM 4" BLACK SERVICE

9mm 4" Comapct XD Essentials Package

MFR# XD9101HC

Each Essentials Package comes with:

Two 16rd Magzines
Case
Cable Lock
Bore Brush
Manual




Pricing: $399.99 ea

Shipping: $15

Wow that is cheap! Cheaper then buds, thats actually the gun i was looking at. Quick question whats the difference between the xd and the xdm? I thought the xdm was compact but i see them with 4 inch barrels still...

This should help you out Difference Between XD and XDM | Difference Between | XD vs XDM

Love the 1911 pic to go with the article... :nope:

I'm not a plastic gun type of guy:nope: But I sure do like my 1911

whats important to you...Im a couple hours from home on the city...M&P 9mm with 35rds on my person compared to 25 rds of 45 and its a lighter package..

I just like the M&P way way better than the XD...its a much better pistol...but the XD isworlds better than a HiPoint!!!!

I'm not into plastic tupperware guns:nope: I like the steel 1911, CZ-75, & BROWNING HI-POWER:tu:

I just love the way a xd feels in my hand.

If that's what feels good, then go for it.

Then get it :c::c::c::c:

Well its either parts for my dodge or this gun.....

Dodge will always need parts.......it's a money pit....:w2::w2::w2::w2::w2:

Find some one that will let you shoot one, before you buy one:tu:

Shot a xd .45 loved it.

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Believe me i know this little ford ranger i drive is great all it needs is GAS no TLC lmao.

Well, they'll never ban auto parts so get the gun...:tttt:

Its a Ford, a good battery and fuel is all it'll ever need. :tu:

I cant decide what i want to do, Now im stuck on getting a mosin nagant, or build my own ar 15, or get the xd. Im really wanting something for the most fun. The ar15 sounds cool since i would get to build it.

Heres a build for under $600
M4 Rifle Kits, AR 15 Kits, Gun Kits | Del Ton Rifles from Del-Ton, Inc.
AR-15 Lower Receivers

But see i dont know what size barrel to get and what the longer or shorter size does. Im not sure if Delton is any good. I have heard that Palmetto state armory make decent stuff. Id like to keep the build under $800.

But then i could get a cheap ass mosin and mod it til my hearts content but the ammo that i have found seems a bit pricey to shoot out of a $100 gun.

The xd would be great but i really enjoy rifles. I could mod it to my hearts content as well.

I dunno, hipoint shot 50 rounds today not one hiccup, federal fmj and hornaday jhp.

I've never built a upper, requires a few specialized tools to assemble one...and the one time I looked into it..they were not cheap...

Delton makes good stuff. I'd just go with a 16" barrel, any shorter an you have to deal with NFA paperwork and tax stamps. But it really depends on what you're wanting to do with it for which length barrel you go with. If you plan to put a lot of rounds though it, avoid the "pencil thin" barrels. I'd try to get at least an M4 contoured barrel.

What ammo were you looking at for the mosin? I just ran the surplus ammo through mine. Its corrosive so you have to really clean it after shooting it, but its not really that bad.

Since you've got a hi-point, I'd probably get a rifle. You could always keep an eye out for a used XD.

The tools were or the upper was?
What does a 20" government barrel mean? Longer would mean more distance right? I want the rifle for the range, hogs, maybe a few tactical courses, and of course if this country goes to shit rifle.

I just went to midway usa and looked at mosin ammo didnt wasnt cheap roughly $14 for a bux of 20!

Yes i thought about that to i have a pistol that shoots and does it decently so a rifle would be a good idea. Theres a few xds that are used on the texas gun trader but they want so much for them!

Government profile is the same as M4 or basically what the military uses. It has notches cut out for the M203 grenade launcher and is a bit lighter weight because the soldiers carry them all day everyday.

Longer means more velocity. You could take 2 identical rifles, one with a 16" barrel and one with a 20" barrel and with the right shooter could probably both hit the same target at say 500 yards pretty easy. The longer barrel will also help with accuracy at that range. 20" would probably work good for you. It would be great for the range and for hunting, and would work for tactical courses. The Marines use 20" barreled rifles, so tactically speaking, it would work just fine. Just keep in mind that it will be heavier. For those particular uses you list, I PERSONALLY would go with an 18" barrel, but I'm not into the hunting as much as a lot of folks so a 16" barrel would be great for what my planned uses are for an AR.

I bought my mosin ammo from AmmunitionToGo.com, but since you're in Texas, you'd have to pay sales tax if you ordered through them. Here's a link to google shopping for 7.62x54r ammo. Lots to pick from. The brass cased, soft point hunting ammo is going to cost more than the Russian imported stuff or military surplus stuff.
http://www.google.com/search?q=7.62x54r+ammo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=7.62x54r+ammo&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=IM1&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=shop&ei=sUeqTqLsHomjiAKz-4z1Cg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=6&ved=0CA0Q_AUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=e7860e478ef510b3&biw=1023&bih=589

Thanks for that link!

Now im thinking about an AK WTF i cant make up my mind. Over on another forum this AK is supposedly the best bang for your buck
HI-CAP Bulgarian AK-47 7.62x39 #AKAGUN-SSR85C-HC
It has a bulgarian receiver i guess those are good.

The impression i have on the ar and ak seem to be the ar is a range toy and the ak is for the battlefield.

Check out The AK Forum Lots of good info & I got my AK from a guy selling it there...:c:

To AK freaks the AR15 will never be a "combat weapon" it's all what you want...the AK is a good weapon as is the AR...but the AR is better at some things than the AK and the AK junkies will tell ya that you can never jam/gum up a AK...it never stops working...

I rather have the AR-15, cause you have endless options & calibers, plus the AR-15 will be more accurate:tu:

From my research on AKs, I found that the Bulgarian made ones are pretty decent rifles. And you found it cheaper than a Romanian WASR. If I was sitting on an extra 400 bucks right now I'd order that thing.

Have you considered looking at SKS's? I just picked one up last month for just shy of $270 after taxes. I just happened to catch it at the right time since most go for about 300 or more now. Its a Norinco(Chinese) and it was all original when I bought it. I swapped out the stock for an ATI side folder, bought a couple Tapco 20 round mags, a single point sling, a Magpul sling mount, I have a UTG tri-rail coming in the next week, plus my Eotech clone that I'm gonna put on it. Overall about $519 spent so far including the cost of the rifle. Here's a couple pics. First one is when I brought it home and the 2nd is it now.

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I'm going to switch out the ATI side folder for a Tapco T6 stock though. This one is too wobbly for my liking.:td:

Why buy an AK when you could build one and have SO much fun doing it?

Here's my Romy G build. I could have bought one for around the same but I enjoy building my stuff as much as shooting it. I've installed the trigger group but it still needs some finish work...

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Ummm your putting utg, tapico and a eotech on a sks???

Woza, I feel sorry for that poor eotech & sks having shitty air soft toy parts on a once good sks....:ouch: :ouch: :ouch:

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My Khybar Pass AK....:c: :c: :c: Don't have any pictures of the SKS...:argh:

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I guess you didn't completely read my post. My Eotech is a knockoff clone aka "shitty air soft toy part." If it breaks, then it breaks and I get to go shopping again. Just thought I would try it out.

I can tell that you must be one of them SKS "purists." "Leave it in the original military configuration," they say. Here's what I have to say to them, let me have your credit card and I'll be sure to buy the "proper" rifle to put the most top of the line stuff on it.

I was simply putting the SKS as a cheaper alternative out there for Plum, and you had to go bash it.

Bash what, the fact that you took a good solid weapon and put cheap toy crap on it...not bashing, just not going to agree with you and am going to point out the simple fact your putting junk on a good weapon...don't expect to hit a target past 50 feet when you have it all junkafied...

And nope I'm not a military purest saying a SKS has to always look/feel like it did coming from the factory...and by screwing up a Norinco that way it also shows you really do not know much about Norinco or how hard/almost impossible it is to get them now...and that they are worth quite a bit in the original configuration...

UTG is nothing but cheap Chinese made toy gun parts for air soft guns...and tapicco is known world wide as tapico fucking a gun...total shit, cheap crap for people who do not know better, or just want to throw away money...by making a gun look "cool" or "tactical" thus the phrase tacticool came about...

Did not see the part about the eotech being a cheap chineese fake...but hey, it's your money and if ya want to flush it down the toilet so be it...

Just cuz ya could have gotten a cheap Chinese aimpoint micro knock off from PA and have been further ahead...as it's actually a good optic...& ya can even get one with a mount that's better than the utg toy parts...

I have a eotech clone. Put a few thousand ronds through it on an AR and a few hundred through the Saiga 12. Still holds zero and functions fine. It wont come close to my real eotechs but its not complete garbage. The lens has a little reflection in it and the battery cover is plastic but For what i paid I'm happy with it.

I have a SKS with an ATI MONTE CARLO stock:pca1: & 30 round USA detachable mags:pca1: