Here it is in Slow motion....

 

I think PLUM should save his pennies & buy a good gun

 

I agree.

 

Save your money for a smaller, slimmer pistol. There is no point in toting that big chunck of metal around when for another $100 you could get a lighter, smaller, prettier, better trigger pull, handgun that wont cut into your luv handles everytime you CC.

 

Ya im not gonna get one. I went to my buddies house today that reloads and is big time into guns. He said he will not reload ammo for a hi point. He told me to get a springfield xd, i felt his and its awesome in my hand. I also shot his glock 10mm and that was sweet!

I think im going to eventually get a hi point to just have, but for a carry gun i want something nicer.

Btw i been looking at the XDs what the hell is the XD gear? There is one gun thats $468 that has the gear then the other one is $440 without the xd gear?

 

The XD gear is the crap that it comes with, i.e. belt holster, dual mag holder, and a mag loader. Its not the best of quality but it gets you started. After I bought my XD in Oct, I bought myself a Blackhawk Serpa holster for Christmas. Not the best for CC though. Check out the Crossbreed holsters. I've heard lots of good stuff about them and plan on getting one as soon as I can start carrying concealed, maybe, I might just open carry if I'm living somewhere where its legal.

 

Here I go again...making friends and keeping people happy....

Stay as far away from SERPA as you can, they are pure junk and dangerous junk at that. Many high speed handgun trainers will not allow them in class or on the range..

Here is a cut and paste putting it better than I can...

[Rant]Folks, please stop buying this holster! I see this holster constantly in basic pistol classes and it is really a bad idea.

So what's the problem with them you ask? There are two main ones.

First, the retention system in this holster CAN create bad muscle memory in the shooter and get you shot! When you attempt to disengage the retention system, your trigger finger should be straight along the tab (that releases the gun). When the gun fails to come out of the holster, the shooter becomes more aggressive and uses the tip of the trigger finger and presses in on the release tab. The finger then stays in this position and ends up in the trigger guard as the gun comes out of the holster. This will eventually cause an ND.

Second, the retention system has large openings around it. This can be filled with debris (rocks, dirt, etc) and lock the gun into the holster. This is of course a bad thing when you are wanting/needing to shoot someone.


When owners of the Serpa CQC are confronted with the above two issues (especially number one), the common answer is; "My finger is always straight when I operate the tab." BULL CHIT. While it MAY be that way on the square range when the sun is shining and you are not under the slightest amount of stress it all changes when you are in a hurry and the gun is NOT coming out of the holster.

True story. An LE firearms instructor here in Ohio recently shot himself in the leg with a Serpa holster. This guy was very squared away and a good shooter. He was doing some speed drills and was attempting to draw quickly. When the gun failed to come out, he pushed down harder with his trigger finger. This same finger then ended up in the trigger guard and the gun went bang.[/Rant]

 

I've heard a similar story already. I love my Serpa and I haven't had any issues with it. I have used it under mild simulated stress in TRAINING and there's no thread on here saying I shot myself. Its a piece of equipment. What do you do with equipment? You train with it. Many LEOs and Military personnel use the Serpa series of holsters. If they were that bad, they would find something to replace them. Its like claiming pencils misspell words and silverware makes you fat, IMO! Any person can shoot themselves after drawing their weapon if they're being dumb or aren't trained enough. I'm pretty sure lots of instructors also tell you to practice DRAWING and RE-HOLSTERING your weapon with the holster you'll be using.

I understand that we all have our own opinions, but the Serpa is what I have and it works for me. Just throwing it out there as an option. It all comes down to different strokes for different folks.

 

Yep, it's along the lines of ya can take a horse to water but ya can't make him drink...

People get emotionally attached to stuff...they hate being told it's junk, hate being told something the purchased and like does not live up to expectations..then get all defensive and shut down when somebody else comes along and shows it in a different light...

How many different holsters have you used, have you ever tried the Safariland 6004 series...have ya tried Comp Tac...Raven Concealment...or other top name holster makers gear??


LEO and military guys are cheap...if the department buys it they buy it in bulk to get the most holsters for the least amount of money...same as the military...lots of issues with higher speed cops and military using them...and the guys who can buy/use anything they want don't use serpa...blackhawk stuff is made in Viet Nam...quality sucks...

Yep it is a option...just like Uncle Mikes is a option...as well as the ones I mentioned above..

If ya promise not to get all upset at me....go read this link....all 3 pages...with a open mind...and see that Rampy's thoughts on the serpa ain't his alone..

Blackhawk Serpa CQC holster - M4Carbine.net Forums

Then if ya want...go and read this thread..and the links in it...

The Serpa Holster - Why We Don't Allow Them In Class

and this thread..

Again On The Serpa

and one more...

SERPA documentation

 

I haven't used a bunch of holsters. I'd like to get a Safariland one but not all of us can afford to drop $150+ on something like that. Its not hard to understand that the Serpa costs $40 for a reason. Its obviously not as well made as others, but it works for a lot of people. I'll continue to use mine until the day that either A) it breaks or B) I can get something better. So far FOR ME, it has lived up to expectations.

I know what you're saying here isn't your own thoughts, I've heard them before. I have no problem admitting that I may own and use an inferior product, and I don't give a ****. And to PLMCRZY, sorry to go off on your thread. I'm done.