I wanna buy a hi point now just to see how shitty it is lol. Gun show is at the end of this month im going to check out alot of pistols. If i find a hi point 9mm or .45 for less then $100 im picking it up. If not ill save my money for something nicer.

Hey Bobby, The SIG I saw was $399 not $299:bat::bat::bat::bat:

However, some people would rather piss away money buying shit just cuz it's shit than getting something better...

http://www.motifake.com/image/demoti...1246136294.jpg

I guess thats a swing at me?

Only if the shirt fits.....if it does not fit then nope not at all....

When I was looking for my first handgun I considered hi-points. $150 for a 9mm looked like a damn good deal to me. My buddy's dad has one that he keeps by the bed for home defense. Yeah it goes bang every trigger pull, I haven't seen or heard of it jamming, and other then the FRAME MOUNTED SAFETY digging into my thumb, it fits my hand decent. They are big, bulky, heavy, and ugly. The ugly alone made it low on my list. It would make a great truck gun in my opinion.

I saved my money and bought a fullsize Springfield XD in .40S&W. It fits my hand better than a glove. It doesn't conceal worth a shit unless I have my big heavy winter carhartt coat on(because its a fullsize and a little on the heavy side). I don't get the practice with it as much as I'd like because the cost of ammo, so I still can't shoot it as great as I'd like. Take a piece of regular copy or printer paper and put it up to your chest, I can hit that paper with my gun. You will have to practice A LOT. I have probably close to 7-800 rounds through my XD with NO hiccups at all. I bought it for $498 last October.

I don't know why you don't want a used gun, but in my area, you can pick up a used Glock 9mm for around $350. Speaking of 9mm, since this is your first gun, I'd say get a 9mm. I wish I had instead of my .40(but I still won't get rid of it). If you shoot a .40 then a 9, you'll see that the 9 is much easier to control. As soon as I get the extra money to do so, I'll be shopping for a Glock 19 9mm or maybe if I can find a used one, a sub compact XD or XDM in 9mm.

I'm not sure what they run, but one 9mm(or .40) option that I'd like to check out more is the Springfield Armory EMP. Its a small 1911 style gun in 9mm or .40. EMP stands for "Enhanced Micro Pistol". Its real thin like a 1911 and probably just as reliable. 1911 controls. Here's a link to the EMP: Springfield Armory

You asked what JHP stood for. It means Jacketed Hollow Point. 9mm is bigger than .380. And shot placement is what its all about. Practice, practice, practice BEFORE you start carrying and take your CCW class. A .22LR round to the ocular cavity(eyes) will kill a man the same as a .45. .380s make good conceal carry guns but ammo is on the more expensive side and that makes it hard to practice. 9mil has more power behind it, but like I said, shot placement is paramount. Get online and buy some targets and practice shooting the places that will stop an attacker. Opsgear.com has some good ones.

Sorry for the book sized post. Just tryin' to help. Good Luck!

That emp springfield is over $1000.....

I do like the 9mm hi point. Not as ugly as the other ones. Has good reviews. It is concealable as well.

If I'm going to spend over $1,000 on a 1911 it'll be a LES BAER:tu:

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Typo...

Good catch

I was going to buy one, cause for $299, all I can buy is a S&W SIGMA, then I go to the CDNN website & see $399:scare2::s::bat:

Still not a horrible deal... :D

Sorry to get your hopes up man.

I have like 100 guns, don't really need anymore, but if it's a steal I'll B U Y it:yeah:

S&W had a special rebate on the Sigma line. $50 mail-in-rebate or 2 factory mags with purchase. Not sure if it still running tho....:humm:

My TRP was around $1,200 with the mil discount.....

Who makes quality holsters for the hi point....or are ya going to get a cheap asses nylon shit holster....that does not work worth a crap...like the hi point...

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Sigma's suck ass......everybody I've known who had one has had issues with it and it's gone back for factory repair...

He could buy worst, like RG, DAVIS, BRYCO, & JIMENEZ:s:

Dan Wesson Valor is better than the Baer.....

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No difference...

Remember the pistols that was made by Lorcin.....same company only re named HiPoint..if I remember correctly....don't remember the other names the company has used...

DAN WESSON was being made by CZ, If I'm going to go NORTH of $1,000 I rather buy BAER, ED BROWN, WILSON COMBAT, NIGHTHAWK:humm:

Have ya ever played with a Valor....

Not to mention buying the ones ya mentioned...part of the price tag is name recognition, I've shot Wilson 1911's that had to go back to the factory..one had to be returned 3 times before it functioned 100%...

Would you want to spend $2.5K on a Nighthawk and then have it sit in a police impound lot for 3 years if you were to even get it back after a shooting..

Nice thang about a glock...they are cheap and disposable...I'm not going to cry if my G19 is in police hands for 2 years after a justifiable shoot...

That's why I have a GLOCK 19 in my ATV & a CZ-75 in my truck, I won't cry if either one get stolen:nope:

concealcity.com does.

I been researching if anyone carrys the hi point and quite a few do. They have there own forums as well thats where ive gotten all this info.

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This is interesting.....

Trying to Break A Hi Point – Handguns

This guy did a whole series of videos trying to blow one up. Here's the first video in the series:

My life is worth more than me carrying a hi-point:argh::argh:

Obviously not the same idea others here have....

Wonder how much money they have sunk in trucks & if they get the cheapest parts/pieces you can get...or if they go for the more expensive pieces parts...

I'd rather throw rocks at an attacker then trust a hi-point with my life. But I suppose if its all I had, I'd just throw it at the bad guy! :s: Far more effective than trying to shoot him with it.

PLM, just save your pennies and pick up a good used glock or something else along those lines, you'll be better off in the long run.

PLUM like everything in this world, there is a reason why some guns cause more than other:humm:

I think you mean "cost" there. :tttt:

I really dont think you want to compare our trucks together. I understand where your coming from. But your being a complete douche in some of your posts.

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I dont understand this? The video shows how durable they are? Is it something im missing? Are they that inaccurate?

So what you are saying is you have sunk all kinds of money into your truck.....nothing to compare, my truck is almost bone stock...and it's still running great...


It's always better to be a douche than a douche-nozzle....:choochoo::choochoo:

I'm not saying they're not durable. They clearly are, that's why I said it would make a good truck gun. One that can bounce around and you don't have to worry about beating it up. Its just that fact that its cheap and that there's Murphy's Law which ALWAYS happens to us at the most inopportune time.

All I'm trying to say is that there are way better options out there for what you're looking for. I've been where you're at right now, and not too long ago. I almost just bought a hi-point, but I asked on here, other places, talked to friends, and I got the same message every time. Save your pennies, buy something that's good quality.

I had a few different models that I liked what I had read, seen, and heard about and that I just liked how they looked. I started by looking at used models online of those to get an idea of what they were going for, then looked at what new ones cost. At the time, I had found a police trade in S&W .40 for $270 on buds gun shop. I had a lot of people tell me to just get a used glock and I would have but the deal I got on my XD was pretty hard to pass up. At the time I bought it, Springfield was running a promo for 3 free mags and an extra mag holder with the purchase of any new XD or XDm. 3 free mags(gun comes with 2 anyway so 5 total) sold me on the XD.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd buy a used Glock 19 9mm and wouldn't look back.

ok got me there. i shouldn't have said ONLY. but ya the slide itself weighs as much as a complete Glock.

any gun when factoring the recoil spring tension, slide weight and mass of the gun can be loaded that way. there is no way I could do it with my box stock 1911, but it might be obtainable with a lighter recoil spring.

Here it is in Slow motion....

I think PLUM should save his pennies & buy a good gun:tu:

I agree.

Save your money for a smaller, slimmer pistol. There is no point in toting that big chunck of metal around when for another $100 you could get a lighter, smaller, prettier, better trigger pull, handgun that wont cut into your luv handles everytime you CC.

Ya im not gonna get one. I went to my buddies house today that reloads and is big time into guns. He said he will not reload ammo for a hi point. He told me to get a springfield xd, i felt his and its awesome in my hand. I also shot his glock 10mm and that was sweet!

I think im going to eventually get a hi point to just have, but for a carry gun i want something nicer.

Btw i been looking at the XDs what the hell is the XD gear? There is one gun thats $468 that has the gear then the other one is $440 without the xd gear?

The XD gear is the crap that it comes with, i.e. belt holster, dual mag holder, and a mag loader. Its not the best of quality but it gets you started. After I bought my XD in Oct, I bought myself a Blackhawk Serpa holster for Christmas. Not the best for CC though. Check out the Crossbreed holsters. I've heard lots of good stuff about them and plan on getting one as soon as I can start carrying concealed, maybe, I might just open carry if I'm living somewhere where its legal.

Here I go again...making friends and keeping people happy....:w2::w2:

Stay as far away from SERPA as you can, they are pure junk and dangerous junk at that. Many high speed handgun trainers will not allow them in class or on the range..

Here is a cut and paste putting it better than I can...

[Rant]Folks, please stop buying this holster! I see this holster constantly in basic pistol classes and it is really a bad idea.

So what's the problem with them you ask? There are two main ones.

First, the retention system in this holster CAN create bad muscle memory in the shooter and get you shot! When you attempt to disengage the retention system, your trigger finger should be straight along the tab (that releases the gun). When the gun fails to come out of the holster, the shooter becomes more aggressive and uses the tip of the trigger finger and presses in on the release tab. The finger then stays in this position and ends up in the trigger guard as the gun comes out of the holster. This will eventually cause an ND.

Second, the retention system has large openings around it. This can be filled with debris (rocks, dirt, etc) and lock the gun into the holster. This is of course a bad thing when you are wanting/needing to shoot someone.


When owners of the Serpa CQC are confronted with the above two issues (especially number one), the common answer is; "My finger is always straight when I operate the tab." BULL CHIT. While it MAY be that way on the square range when the sun is shining and you are not under the slightest amount of stress it all changes when you are in a hurry and the gun is NOT coming out of the holster.

True story. An LE firearms instructor here in Ohio recently shot himself in the leg with a Serpa holster. This guy was very squared away and a good shooter. He was doing some speed drills and was attempting to draw quickly. When the gun failed to come out, he pushed down harder with his trigger finger. This same finger then ended up in the trigger guard and the gun went bang.[/Rant]

I've heard a similar story already. I love my Serpa and I haven't had any issues with it. :nope: I have used it under mild simulated stress in TRAINING and there's no thread on here saying I shot myself. Its a piece of equipment. What do you do with equipment? You train with it. Many LEOs and Military personnel use the Serpa series of holsters. If they were that bad, they would find something to replace them. Its like claiming pencils misspell words and silverware makes you fat, IMO! Any person can shoot themselves after drawing their weapon if they're being dumb or aren't trained enough. I'm pretty sure lots of instructors also tell you to practice DRAWING and RE-HOLSTERING your weapon with the holster you'll be using.

I understand that we all have our own opinions, but the Serpa is what I have and it works for me. Just throwing it out there as an option. It all comes down to different strokes for different folks.

Yep, it's along the lines of ya can take a horse to water but ya can't make him drink...

People get emotionally attached to stuff...they hate being told it's junk, hate being told something the purchased and like does not live up to expectations..then get all defensive and shut down when somebody else comes along and shows it in a different light...

How many different holsters have you used, have you ever tried the Safariland 6004 series...have ya tried Comp Tac...Raven Concealment...or other top name holster makers gear??


LEO and military guys are cheap...if the department buys it they buy it in bulk to get the most holsters for the least amount of money...same as the military...lots of issues with higher speed cops and military using them...and the guys who can buy/use anything they want don't use serpa...blackhawk stuff is made in Viet Nam...quality sucks...

Yep it is a option...just like Uncle Mikes is a option...as well as the ones I mentioned above..

If ya promise not to get all upset at me....go read this link....all 3 pages...with a open mind...and see that Rampy's thoughts on the serpa ain't his alone..

Blackhawk Serpa CQC holster - M4Carbine.net Forums

Then if ya want...go and read this thread..and the links in it...

The Serpa Holster - Why We Don't Allow Them In Class

and this thread..

Again On The Serpa

and one more...:w2::w2::w2:

SERPA documentation

I haven't used a bunch of holsters. I'd like to get a Safariland one but not all of us can afford to drop $150+ on something like that. Its not hard to understand that the Serpa costs $40 for a reason. Its obviously not as well made as others, but it works for a lot of people. I'll continue to use mine until the day that either A) it breaks or B) I can get something better. So far FOR ME, it has lived up to expectations.

I know what you're saying here isn't your own thoughts, I've heard them before. I have no problem admitting that I may own and use an inferior product, and I don't give a shit. And to PLMCRZY, sorry to go off on your thread. I'm done.