Conceal carry - Sig Sauer
 

Thinking about getting a Sig Sauer pistol who has one and do you pack it on a regular basis? Pros and cons to the pistol? I would like too get a .40 cal and as said in the title something small enough to pack from time to time. this will be my Christmas gift so I want to get it right the first time lol


Brice

what model are you looking at? I've never owned a sig. In general a 40 would be a nice carry pistol. Actually have some stopping power unlike a 9mm but still get a double stack mag.

they are great light weight and accurate

I am taking my conceal carry class on Dec 4th :tu:. I agree with FastCR a .40 would be a good choice.

I have a SIG SAUER P220 45 ACP, It's accurate & great quaility, BUT it doesn't have a S A F E T Y

Every gun has a safety. Its your index finger.

But if your gun is taken from you or if a child finds your gun,:scare2: you're gonna wish you had a S A F E T Y !!

i got nothin for ya brice. my carry is a kimber sis ultra carry in 45 along with a full size 9mm barretta that lives in my glove box. from the larger sigs (full size 40s and 45s) i liked them. they shoot good but didnt fit great in my hand. key thing (and u alrdy know this im sure) make sure it fits in ur had really well

that Kimber is nice! how dose it form to you and where do you carry it? with what holster?

what yall think on springfield XD? I have shot them there nice but for carrying?

Springfield XD Sub Compact Pistol


Springfield XD Pistol , XD 9802SP06, Matte, 40 S&W, 9 Rd, 3" Barrel, Semi-Automatic, Double Action, Sub Compact, Fixed Sights, Accessory Package
Springfield Armory Hand Guns (Pistols)Product ID: 58063
UPC: 706397866020
MFG ID: XD9802HCSP06

I have a Sig P229 and a Sig P239. The P239 is more suited for concealed carry due to my skinny frame.

During the winter months I can carry the P229 in a shoulder holster. It is a bit bigger than the P239. I really like them both. Both are comfortable and have been very reliable, going on 15 years with the P229 and 7 with the P239.

My P229 can shoot 9mm, 357 Sig and 40 cal rounds.
My P239 only takes 357 Sig and 40 cal. I don't have the 9mm barrel and spring for it.

Good Luck with your decision.

Sure it does. Keep you finger off the trigger.

If you're weapon is taken from you, you're either:

A) Too close
B) In deep crap and have not well prepared.

I teach weapon retention. I realize there may be a situation where you're caught off guard and forced to give up your weapon. In that case, you have a much bigger issue to concern yourself with.
Otherwise, you should never lose your weapon.

There are way too many ways to secure a weapon where a child won't find it or be able to place it into use.
If you're going to be away from your weapon, make sure one or more of them are in force.
If for example, the weapon is in the glove box/console, and you're away from it and the child...remove it, unload it, lock it or otherwise make it safe!

I've carried "safety less" weapons for years. Prior to my last, my duty weapon for about 15+ years, it was a Sig P226.
The last was a S & W product (agency assigned).
The only either of them ever discharged, was when I pulled the trigger:tu:

I raised two (2) children and now have a 4 1/2 year old live in grandaughter.
Weapons are still here.

If you prefer a manual safety, and if it makes you feel safer, then by all means, get one with a manual safety.
It's just one more step you'll need to train yourself to do automatically.

Discussions over manual safeties are always an interesting topic.
I've seen both sides as a professional and professional instructor.

I've seen the occasion where, as Gunman implies, the safety has given a person or an officer, that valuable second or so to react. If the person using the weapon on you has not idea what's wrong, the "shock" and time lag alone, will give you an "eternity" to react:)

On the other hand, I've seen far too many instances where "trained" veteran law enforcement and military personnel, in a high stress action, failed to remove the safety.

Occasionally with dreadful results:(

As for the Sig in general, one day I'll own another!
Great weapons, well made, durable and dependable:c:

IMO, FWIW...find one that fits and go for it :c:

i love my kimber. i dont have my CHL yet so it lives in my truck (texas castle law says i dont need a chl to keep it loaded and within reach in my truck) but when im riding around my dads ranch i conceal it under my love handle

I've been carrying my full size XD40 in the holster they give you just about every time I leave the house. I have it on my belt right above my wallet in my right back pocket and under my hoody its concealed ok but when I put my Carhartt coat on, you'd never know it was there. I don't really notice the weight when I'm carrying it but with it fully loaded in my hands, it sometimes makes me wish I had gone with a Glock instead.

To the OP, I can't really help you on a Sig. I was looking at them too but they were a bit out of my price range when I was shopping for my gun. I was looking at the P250 though.

IMO the XD is a more expensive Glock

I was looking at a Glock 19 and XD9/XD40. The G19 was about $550 and up and I paid $488 for my XD40 full size. Everywhere I looked, Glocks were more expensive, including online. This was for new though.

got a pic by chance?

and I am a big ole fat guy (280 lbs 6,2) lol

so I got lots of places to hide lol

I really want the 40 cal in ca we can only carry 10 rds a 45 mag will only hold 8 (with one chambered) the 40's hold 10 and one chambered best of my knowledge and a 9mm is a shitty round IMO I have a S&W highway patrolman's special 357 6 shot but its huge lol
I would also like a full composite gun metal is to dam cold and heavy I will be working hunting shopping playing all with this new gun so it has to be right there is no "try it before you buy it" here

It's easier to conceal a single stack magazine than a double stack magazine when it comes to concealing pistols. The bulk of the pistol grip is the hardest part to conceal...the easiest is the barrel, especially when you conceal IWB....

The belt is a major player, you need to wear a properly fitting belt, one that is designed to carry/support the weight of a pistol and mags, otherwise you are just screwed and will never have much luck concealing a pistol.

Gun Belts by The Belt Man makes superb leather belts are a really reasonable price.

Tactical Gear, Tactical Equipment, Duty Belts, Slings, USA 5 stitch belts are good, not top of the line, but dang good belts.

I've got one of these belts on order.... Cobra Shooters Belt 1.75" (CSB-175) it's among the best of the best you will ever get for a gunbelt....

My Springer in a Comp-Tac holster...was extremly comfortable but not exactly what I wanted, the belt pulled the kydex into the leather a tad to much making one handed holstering a pain, and after running 2x2x2 drills I gave up and got a CTAC from Comp-Tac and love it, sorry no pictures, it's just like the CTAC pictured below, except for a 1911.

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Sig P239R/TLR-1 in 357 Sig...in a Raven Concealment belt holster, superb holster, but not a IWB pistol by any means & RC make some of the very best Kydex holsters ya will ever get...
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Sig 239 in 357sig...in a Comp-Tac CTAC, love this holster, it's a superb concealment holster, comfortable for 16+ hours....have worn both the Sig 239 for 16+ hours and the Springfield 1911 for 15+ hours in the CTAC's and actually forgot I was carrying the 1911...
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Mummm, grilled Chicken strips......:jump::jump:
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This is a HUGE fallacy....the current 9mm ammo with a premium JHP bullet is just as effective at putting down a goblin as the 45ACP and the 40S&W are.

It's way more about the shooter & his/her skills than it is the caliber any more as long as you are shooting a premium JHP that your gun shoots accurately....

Unless ya are talking about the 25acp, the 380 and other pop guns....those are a joke...and a poke in the eye with a sharp stick does more damage....

ok sorry if others feel different but if you poked me in the eye with a sharp stick i'd be freaking out and i'd be doing so very very far away from you:ouch:

No joke lol

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maybe I just cant shoot lol


Its been years since I have shot a 9mm

But for me to poke you in the eye with that sharp stick you would need to be right up and close....that's actually further than the effective range of a 25 auto.....:s::s::s:

the 9mm by no means is a joke but IMO a 45 to 40 is still better. the amount of energy in a 45 is so much more that a not so well places shot is still enough to end a fight. keep in mind that studies have shown that the majority self defense shootings happen within 7 to 10 feet. and also remember that most police officers are taught that 25 foot rule (if a person is at or within 25 feet of you they have the ability to get to you faster than you can pull your firearm and get on target. and thats a cop who doesnt have his concealed and doesnt have to pull his shirt out of the way.)

True to a point....but again if you use premium bullets the difference it makes will never matter you the good guy....or the goblin...

I've seen a few GSW's, funniest one was a drug dealer shot in the hand at contact distance with a 40... and the guy who trained me in the ER worked on a guy the Sheriff shot in the heart with a 40....

He lived long enough for the ambulance to get him to the hospital where he finally died about 30 min later...

This guy was shot in the heart with a 40 short and weak....my friend held his heart in his hands in the ER trauma room as the surgeons tried repairing it to keep him alive...

Sure he died, at least 30 min after he was shot in the heart with a 40 short and weak loaded with premium JHP bullets....

Re: Conceal carry - Sig Sauer
 

I have always been a fan of Ruger. Have owned several and never had any issues.

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meh I have never liked the feel of a ruger too heavy

Funny you mention this... I have a friend who is a ME for this area (along with his wife, I bet that makes for interesting dinner conversation). I had heard the same thing you are saying somewhere else (in more detail) and asked him about it. He said that when doing an autopsy that they can no tell the difference between a 380, 9mm, 40, 45, ect... They all inflict about the same damage , punch about the same hole (tissue and orgons are elastic remember) and it is ALL about shot placment. He has seen one round from a 380 kill a guy and then it take 14 rounds of 45 to kill a guy. He did also say that the difference between FMJ and JHP is huge (obviously). The stopping power of a round is SOLEY hinged on the targets ability of absorbing the energy. If you punch through a target you did not transfer all the avalible enery that round had.

I've got a interesting PDF on it thats on teh other computer I'll post it up.

And a 380 id far form a pop gun, its the gun of choice for some law in other countries. I've seen my wifes PK380 do plenty of damage to small game and watermelons.

Yes the 380 is the choice of sidearm for some other countries, but they also carry a sub gun with them and the sidearm is more of a show item....at least where I've seen the cops carry sidearms....

We had a guy shoot himself in the back of the head with a 25 auto at point blank range...when we went to put on the C-Collar the bullet fell out...it had not even penetrated the skin fully....and this was with the muzzle resting on the back of his head/neck......

The GSW's I've seen that were 380......walked away from the shooting...and walked into a Dr's office/ER later...couple times days later....small game and watermelons are not exactly the same as humans...up close at sharp stick in the eye range if the shooter does their part and the bad guy allows the bullet to effect them then it might win....but as a rule nothing less than 38spl.....it's like taking a booster line as a primary attack line into a fully engulfed double wide mobile home fire....sure it might get the job done....but in a timley manner saving lives and property....doubt it....

Few years back I came fact to face with pure unadulterated evil...the kind of evil that would just as soon skin you alive and eat you while raping your wife and kids....just pure evil.....it was not the 357sig I was carrying that I wanted, but the 45auto...with those big comforting 230gr JSP's......was funny how that worked....

But yes, if you (I) do not so our part in placing the bullets where they need to go they will not do what is required to stop the action of the person who forced you to shoot them....

I will agree placement and the "type" of ammo is the key in a successful stopping

If you have a .22 .380 .25 whatever if you place it right you will kill someone end of story

My ME buddy also said he has seen a 22 LR DESTROY a liver, damage like you would never believe.

I can shoot you with a .45 and you would never need to go to the ER, a band aid would be fine....

Here is that report I was talking about. Attachment below

**Some graphic photos**

I think this quote from it says it all...

A shot in the head or "T" area will cause total havoc on the central nervous system (death) a shot out side of this area will also make the CNS freak out, but instead of shutting down it will quit sending signals such as pain.

And placing it right under stress is the key point...not to mention what kind of pistols shoot these little bullets and what range they are good at...contact distances are about all they are good at & even then they are marginal....especially if somebody is hyped up on meth or another mind altering drug....

A experienced fire fighter can put out a room & contents fire with a simple 2.5 gal water can, but more often than not when the fire department responds to a room & contents fire they rush in with a 1 3/4 line....

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I'd believe it...look at the type of organ the liver is...and what the 22 brings to the party....the 22 is more "deadly" than the 25 or the 380.....and has killed way more people..

Ummmm only if it's a graze and just skims the surface of the flesh...if the bullet actually goes into the body...ya will need a tad more than a band aid....

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Don't go away, need to download/save and read this...:tu::tu:

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If you cross the T the perp drops like a sack of taters....if you miss the T and hit the head/brain anything could happen or nothing at all, it depends entirely on what the projectile hit, damage done & lots of other factors...no guarantees of any kind...unless ya get a head shot with a 50cal.....:choochoo::choochoo:

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not working, can't download/open it....

The download worked for me... I just clicked it...

Anyone else having problems?

This is what I got, will not download it at all.....

FBI-Analysis-on-PA-Police-Shootout.pdf.part could not be saved, because the source file could not be read.

Try again later, or contact the server administrator.

huh, did you try just opening it? PM me an e-mail and I'll send it on. Interesting read.

worked here good read there is ALOT of lead in that guy lol

Finally got it to open at work:jump::jump:....

Yeah, that's the problem with a shot outside of the instant kill zone... It make the CNS shut down in a BAD way... The person feels no pain and the adrenaline starts flowing fast!

All teh more reason you first shot must count, it will determine the fight. 1 Shot in a kill zone and its over... anything out side and you just gave the other guy an advantage. He wont stop or feel pain till you put him DOWN.

Thoughts?

I'm not a fan of the 40 & while they say this is not a failure of the 180gr round, only going 1 inch or so into a human sure makes one sit back and think....especially as the Gold Dot is a superb preforming bullet...why/what kept the 40 from penetrating any deeper...

The report goes on to say that the 55 & 75gr TAP ammo did not preform as expected and did not meet the FBI's standards of performance...

The TAP round is what other 5.56 anti personnel/sniper rounds are judged by in accuracy and terminal performance when it comes to self defense ammo in the 5.56...how/why did this round fail and how/why did it not meet the FBI's standards...why is this round the round of choice for anti badguy teams around the country ...how does it stack up to the standard military 5.56 round & the new and improved Mk 262 & MK318 ammo.....along with the Black Hills comparable ammo.....

What did they expect as far as stopping a bad guy hell bent on going out in a blaze of gunfire....mentally prepared to deal with getting shot...

Lots of questions left un answered....that report to me created more questions than it answered....

I've always read that a lighter bullet (155gr or around there) in the 40 did better....but again I'm not a fan of the 40 and think it's a round created to "fix" a problem the FBI was having...instead of addressing any precieved weak areas in the 10mm (the 40 is a 10mm in diapers and designed for the FBI when it was found that agents had a hard time controlling the recoil of the 10mm or shooting them accurately) or the 9mm or 45ACP.

The 40 has a bigger bullet than the 9mm, less magazine capacity, a smaller bullet than the 45 but a extra round or two...it's not ballistically that much better better than the 45acp or the 9mm.

Personally I prefer a 115-124 gr +P or +P+ JHP in the 9mm and a 230gr +P or +P+ in the 45ACP....and military ball in the 5.56 but that's just me...

The pistol is a self defense weapon used to fight your way to your rifle/shotgun....it's not designed or expected to be a 40megawat blaster killing anything and everything...

The 5.56 round again ain't the same man killer the 308, 30/06 or the 50 cal is...it's good and it's accurate, but ya have to accept what it is and use it within it's limitations...and accept it will not end the fight every time with a single round....

Need to dig out the picture of the guy high on angel dust...he was shot 99 times (or around that) with 9mm's, blind, dead and dead, yet still trying to kill cops....and it took a few 12ga slugs to bring him down (he finally bled out)

Ever hear of the box of truth....lots of good to great info there... The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing

Bottom line is any caliber/cartridge/bullet can and will fail.....it's up to the shooter to determine what caliber they are comfortable with, that the weapon they are shooting it in functions 100% of the time and is accurate with this ammo....and to know and accept the limitations of the weapon/caliber they are shooting...and to train and expect it to fail at the worst possible time.....

dam thats some good points there

but being that most shootings happen at less than 10 feet (for personal defense not cops)

I think any big round (9mm 40 45 38 357 ect) will do the job