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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by redneckbuckeye
I am not arguing weather or not the HS2000 is the same gun as the XD, but at that time the actual Springfield XD did not exist, it was the HS2000. as for the sigma and taurus being paper weights, its statements like these that show the extent of your knowledge. To each his own I am not going to convince you and I am not changing what I have learned through personal experience.
You see, the Springfield XD did exist, but it had a different name the HS2000.

Is there much if any difference between the HS2000 and the early Springfield XD when they changed the name? Edjumacate me on the difference between the HS2000 and the early Springfield XD's.

As far as paperweights, nope you will never convince me otherwise, but then again I believe in purchasing quality especially when my life could be on the line or one of my loved ones. Say what you will about my knowledge, but ya know what there are many reasons why LEOs do not carry Sigma's or the Taurus's and they are always looking to cut corners and save money where possible. Ya would think they want cheap & quality that goes bang every time, thus lots of LEO departments have Glocks, but the Sigma and Taurus while "cheap" do not go bang accurately every time if they even go bang every time.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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Anyway, I went in to Cabela's today to get a facemask for pushing snow, and I "fondled" (I like the sound of that) the glock 21, springfield XD, S&W M&P, and a kimber custom II 1911 all in .45. I got to tell you, the 1911 felt the best in my hand. Then the M&P, then the springfield. I will probably go with the M&P unless I can find a 1911 of decent quality for a lower price than the kimber ($850).
I just remembered that my uncle is a gun dealer. I may have to call him tomorrow.

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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jstange2
Anyway, I went in to Cabela's today to get a facemask for pushing snow, and I "fondled" (I like the sound of that) the glock 21, springfield XD, S&W M&P, and a kimber custom II 1911 all in .45. I got to tell you, the 1911 felt the best in my hand. Then the M&P, then the springfield. I will probably go with the M&P unless I can find a 1911 of decent quality for a lower price than the kimber ($850).
I just remembered that my uncle is a gun dealer. I may have to call him tomorrow.

Josh
The M&P is a really good handgun!!!!!!

If you can take a look at the Glock 21SF, it's got a much better & smaller feel to it than the G21 & seems more "user friendly" somehow.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramprat
Oh and please take a good look at what Mr. Miyagi has to say, he's our Sensei & one we should listen to
I wouldn't go quite that far, but thanks.

Probably completely irrelevant but here we go:

On Sigma *again just an opinion*,

There are many people @ policelink who say they carry a Sigma as a duty pistol, and a few more than many say they own one, like to shoot it, but don't trust it for a carry pistol....YMMV.

The first Sigmas were so close to a Glock 19 that Glock sued S&W for patent infringement; a case they won and forced S&W to pay an undefined amount of money and peform a slight redesign of the platform...a redesign which, in many's opinions, changed the reliability, and not for the better.

The newest Sigmas are much better performers than the originals. It was easy to copy a proven design (Glock) but it proved difficult for S&W to iron out all the quirks won they were forced to change.


On Taurus *again just an opinion*,

I'll say one two things about Taurus.

1) They build some nifty niche guns. The Judge 45LC/.410 revolver is hella cool.
2) Their PT 1911 has the features and mods of a $1,800 Kimber for under 600 bucks. Unfortunately there is a reason it's under 600 bucks.

Even if the PT 1911 featured "To Hell And Back Reliability" (hint hint) for that price point, and could compete with say a Les Baer, Kimber, or Rock River in terms of features and performance, the one thing it will never have, that matters to many in a gun purchase--maybe not to you but to many, especially me--is investment potential. Not saying the gun has to go up in value, but a quality firearm should at least maintain 80% of it's initial purchase price for the life of the weapon. Taurus has never done that and never will. Not to mention, it's not a Kimber, Les Baer, Rock River, Caspian, or any other assorted high end 1911 variant, regardless of what Taurus literature says, and never will be.


In closing on Sigma, for the price point, a new Sigma looks tempting. Pretty much a Glock 19 for half the price. I'd still rather buy a slightly used Glock for, say $100, over what a Sigma costs and have all the Glock ruggedness and reliability, PLUS access to the wide assortment of goodies available for those of us who have drank the Tupperware Kool-Aid. I mean my god you barely even need a Glock to build a Glock...and 2" groups @ 50 yards is possible...try that with nearly any other SA handgun. Also....throw the Sigma in salt water for a week and see if that steel mag catch still work.

In closing on Taurus.....no thank you. Unless it's the Judge. It looks kinda fun.
 

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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramprat
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And a few of the other pistola's I could CCW if so desired
What is the revolver - bottom row, second in from the right.

I have one in 32 caliber - 5 shot) that has no VISIBLE markings left on it. What is it?
 
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Old Dec 15, 2008 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitelord
What is the revolver - bottom row, second in from the right.

I have one in 32 caliber - 5 shot) that has no VISIBLE markings left on it. What is it?
This one belonged to my great grandfather & is a .32 cal Forehand Arms Co revolver. (1886/87)
 
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 06:21 PM
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I just got back from Cabela's with my new gun. Springfield XD .45 2-tone, with 4" barrel, 2 clips, speed loader, clip holster, gun holster. I went and shot one clip through it and I am very glad with the decision. $608 out the door with a box of 100 remington 230gr JHP.
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Old Dec 17, 2008 | 11:18 PM
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Can't see your pictures.
 
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Old Dec 18, 2008 | 07:20 AM
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fixed it. sorry
 
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Old Dec 18, 2008 | 05:08 PM
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cool hope you like it.
 
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