ignorant gasser guys
#11
06-10-2009, 06:17 PM
Diesel Bomber
#12
06-10-2009, 08:01 PM
your experience with diesels seems to differ greatly then mine. my truck is by the common mans standards a "hot rod" gets good mileage and hasn't given my much trouble. i guess most people just wouldn't understand because they buy newer trucks (rip off) and cant do there own work (massive price difference). delvac is cheaper then most gasser oils - offsets the difference in amount of oil needed. 2 stroke oil is dirt cheap fuel additive. turbos rarely ever blow, i dont have a vg anyhow.
Gonna have to ponder this one a while.
#13
06-10-2009, 08:23 PM
Diesel Bomber
#14
06-10-2009, 08:43 PM
My weak attempt at sarcasm. Check out my signature, it's 99 that has been completely reworked top to bottom and the only shop it's seen was when i was on the road and broke down 800 miles from home.
#15
06-10-2009, 08:50 PM
Diesel Bomber
jeep 15,000 mi change it every 3000 = 5 changes 5 X 6(qts. of oil @ 4.00/qt)= 120.0 +
5(oil filters) @ 8.00 = 160.00
Duramax 15,000 Change the oil every 5k= (3 changes@ 32.00/2.5 gallon = 96.00 ) 3(oil filters bought in bulk on sale @ 20.00ea = 60.00) Change the fuel filter once = 40.00
You are already at 200.00 and you have not allowed for the dirt cheap 2 cycle for fuel treatment, and if you live in frigid area anti gelling additive. The difference is not huge but to say maintaining a diesel is cheaper than a gasser is not fact.
5(oil filters) @ 8.00 = 160.00
Duramax 15,000 Change the oil every 5k= (3 changes@ 32.00/2.5 gallon = 96.00 ) 3(oil filters bought in bulk on sale @ 20.00ea = 60.00) Change the fuel filter once = 40.00
You are already at 200.00 and you have not allowed for the dirt cheap 2 cycle for fuel treatment, and if you live in frigid area anti gelling additive. The difference is not huge but to say maintaining a diesel is cheaper than a gasser is not fact.
#16
06-10-2009, 09:22 PM
i never said maintnence is cheaper. im saying overall (i guess for me anyways?) i end up sinking less money into my tuck then a comparable gas truck. maybe its just because all my friends have performance mods on there gas trucks, less reliability i suppose.
delvac - $12 x 3 = 36 + filter $6 + $42 oil change and 2 quarts left over for my fourwheeler.
max life - $5 x 6 = 30 + $6 = $36 oil change, so a $6 dollar difference in oil changes is probably offset by longer intervals. add an extra $40 for fule filters a year and the diesel is behind. factor in roughly 5-6mpg better and $.30 cheaper for fuel (fuel prices change so much though) and the diesel probably ends up a little cheaper.
but i guess it depends so much on what your comparing to or what kind of diesel your talking about (ie -obviously a 6.0 powerstroke wont be cheaper), plus if you live in colder weather it adds alot of cost, that its not the same for everyone...
delvac - $12 x 3 = 36 + filter $6 + $42 oil change and 2 quarts left over for my fourwheeler.
max life - $5 x 6 = 30 + $6 = $36 oil change, so a $6 dollar difference in oil changes is probably offset by longer intervals. add an extra $40 for fule filters a year and the diesel is behind. factor in roughly 5-6mpg better and $.30 cheaper for fuel (fuel prices change so much though) and the diesel probably ends up a little cheaper.
but i guess it depends so much on what your comparing to or what kind of diesel your talking about (ie -obviously a 6.0 powerstroke wont be cheaper), plus if you live in colder weather it adds alot of cost, that its not the same for everyone...
Last edited by hot-dog; 06-10-2009 at 09:25 PM.
#17
06-10-2009, 09:56 PM
#18
06-10-2009, 10:08 PM
Diesel Enthusiast
I would have to agree with K50 here. If your drivin a diesel for nothin more then a daily driver then you have money to burn. If you need the power and torque for pulling trailers or work then they are a necessary evil. No matter how you look at it these truck are big, heavy and expensive to maintain.
Ya you can go twice as long or more between oil changes but they hold 3 times the amount of oil when you do an oil change.
Parts wear out faster because they are so much heavier.
If they have to go to a shop, they have to go to the more expensive shops cause normal mechanics don't know what they are doin on these trucks.
These pickup truck versions of diesels are still in the experimental stages of life with new technology improving them all the time but with all these improvements comes more money needed. Gassers have been pretty much time tested and proven for decades.
Last but not least, these Diesel Trucks have to be a labor of love, they aren't for the everyday person just lookin for transport. They are big, bulky and hard to get around in town. I don't know about the rest of ya but it doesn't seem like I ever have this truck just fixed and drivin it, there is always somethin wrong with it waitin to be fixed and I drive my truck easy. It's a work truck/farm truck, not a hot rod. Workin on it is my hobby, it's what I do with my extra money and time.
But cheaper then a gasser overall, not mine.
Ya you can go twice as long or more between oil changes but they hold 3 times the amount of oil when you do an oil change.
Parts wear out faster because they are so much heavier.
If they have to go to a shop, they have to go to the more expensive shops cause normal mechanics don't know what they are doin on these trucks.
These pickup truck versions of diesels are still in the experimental stages of life with new technology improving them all the time but with all these improvements comes more money needed. Gassers have been pretty much time tested and proven for decades.
Last but not least, these Diesel Trucks have to be a labor of love, they aren't for the everyday person just lookin for transport. They are big, bulky and hard to get around in town. I don't know about the rest of ya but it doesn't seem like I ever have this truck just fixed and drivin it, there is always somethin wrong with it waitin to be fixed and I drive my truck easy. It's a work truck/farm truck, not a hot rod. Workin on it is my hobby, it's what I do with my extra money and time.
But cheaper then a gasser overall, not mine.
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