Propane + Methanol
#11
06-09-2009, 04:32 PM
Diesel Bomber
Chip, Intake, Exhaust, and a set of Stage 1's will put you right at 300RWHP, you will have a truck that is easy to drive, little if any smoke, better MPG and your not beating your motor to death. You do not need an HPOP upgrade at this point, just drive it.
idk why your saying you can only get about 300 RWHP out of stage ones and that they will only smoke alittle, because with custome tunes and the stuff you listed will get you up to almost 350 RWHP with bigger tunes such as extreme tunes and such., i would recomend a better turbo to reach that but 350 RWHP is very easy to get out of stage one injectors. and they will smoke alot if you get a chip that is tuned for it and stuff.
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But other wise i really do agree with you on every thing else. TWINBOYS thier is nothing worse for your truck than stuff your putting into it, i wanted water/meth untill some custome tuners told me they would suggest straght water due to the amount of blow head gaskets they have seen.
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And CSIPSD please dont be mad over what i have said, im sure you know alot about diesels but from what i know thats what you can get out of stage ones im not trying to fight with you or anything im just simply saying thats all so please dont get upset over this
idk why your saying you can only get about 300 RWHP out of stage ones and that they will only smoke alittle, because with custome tunes and the stuff you listed will get you up to almost 350 RWHP with bigger tunes such as extreme tunes and such., i would recomend a better turbo to reach that but 350 RWHP is very easy to get out of stage one injectors. and they will smoke alot if you get a chip that is tuned for it and stuff.
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But other wise i really do agree with you on every thing else. TWINBOYS thier is nothing worse for your truck than stuff your putting into it, i wanted water/meth untill some custome tuners told me they would suggest straght water due to the amount of blow head gaskets they have seen.
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And CSIPSD please dont be mad over what i have said, im sure you know alot about diesels but from what i know thats what you can get out of stage ones im not trying to fight with you or anything im just simply saying thats all so please dont get upset over this
Because on stage ones are only about 140-160CC injectors, and depending on the nozzle size and tuning that is what most will see... I really doubt you will see a OBS put down 350 with stage 1 injectors. I have never seen it, and thats alot of dyno events...LOL
Mad? LOL going to take more then that to get mad...
FYI... Smoke is bad... I try to keep it to a minimum anymore, it gives us a black eye to the rest of the world.
#12
06-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Diesel Enthusiast
yes i know smoke is bad but with high enough tunes and a bigger turbo you can reach around 350 with stage ones, im thinking about going with stage 2s myself and a d66 turbo but i dont want to torch my auto tranns, to be honest i wish i had a manual real bad. but i will prolly go with 2s and see where that puts me for HP
#13
06-09-2009, 04:43 PM
Diesel Bomber
yes i know smoke is bad but with high enough tunes and a bigger turbo you can reach around 350 with stage ones, im thinking about going with stage 2s myself and a d66 turbo but i dont want to torch my auto tranns, to be honest i wish i had a manual real bad. but i will prolly go with 2s and see where that puts me for HP
Stage 2's and a D-66 will put you right at 370-380 with a typical high mile HPOP... With a 17* pump you will be right at the 400hp mark.
It really doesnt matter how high your tunes are, there is only so much fuel to give out of a stage 1 injector, about 140-160 depending on the builder...
Even stage 1's will be really taxing your tranny. Have you done anything to it? Valve body? TC?
#14
06-09-2009, 05:25 PM
Diesel Enthusiast
#15
06-09-2009, 06:11 PM
Diesel Bomber
nah i was going to put a shift kit in it but the guy at the ford dealer told me to leve it because my chip changes my valve body so i did, the tranns is brand new and has hmmm about 300 miles on it and a 3 year warrenty so if it brakes i just take my chip out and get a brand new one.
IMHO...
#16
06-09-2009, 06:11 PM
My horsepower goals are to get all the horsepower I can without breaking the bank. Injectors, hpop, and chip are on the bubble. Rods and studs are out of the question. I cannot justify stage 1's as easily as stage 2's which pushes it further off the back of the bubble. If I don't like what I get with methanol/water, it or the propane can go onto my basicly stock 96. I rarely use the propane now, and it is an awesomely smooth boost controlled unit. I will testify to nearly fifty percent increase in power, without a 100HP. ceiling. Because of the principles of operation it will not add 50% power to methanol/water. I plan to use mostly water. Both the propane and water can be adjusted down.
#18
06-09-2009, 06:21 PM
Diesel Bomber
My horsepower goals are to get all the horsepower I can without breaking the bank. Injectors, hpop, and chip are on the bubble. Rods and studs are out of the question. I cannot justify stage 1's as easily as stage 2's which pushes it further off the back of the bubble. If I don't like what I get with methanol/water, it or the propane can go onto my basicly stock 96. I rarely use the propane now, and it is an awesomely smooth boost controlled unit. I will testify to nearly fifty percent increase in power, without a 100HP. ceiling. Because of the principles of operation it will not add 50% power to methanol/water. I plan to use mostly water. Both the propane and water can be adjusted down.
Here is what your pistons look like from all the propane...
See the cracks at 11-12-1 and 5-6...
Propane advances timing, bumps Cylinder pressures thru the roof, and in anything more then about 20hp shot is nothing but bad for your motor.
Last edited by CSIPSD; 06-09-2009 at 06:23 PM.
#19
06-09-2009, 06:26 PM
Diesel Bomber
40% with my mods gave me about 60hp...
#20
06-09-2009, 07:02 PM
Diesel Enthusiast
