Ford Powerstroke 03-07 6.0L Discussion of 6.0 Liter Ford Powerstroke Turbo Diesels

Like many others - hard start - rough idle

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 11-25-2012, 05:28 PM
bkmac's Avatar
Diesel Enthusiast
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 217
Received 21 Likes on 17 Posts
Default Like many others - hard start - rough idle

My 06 F350 has been starting rough and idling rough until it warms up and then runs great. Also visible black smoke on starting. Ran AE and these were the results. I think they are in an acceptable range but not sure. Any advice will be appreciated.

Forgot to add - mileage is 177,000 + - vehicle is stock except for K&N Air system and sinister coolant filter
 
Attached Files

Last edited by bkmac; 11-25-2012 at 05:31 PM.
  #2  
Old 11-25-2012, 07:34 PM
bobfbigman's Avatar
Diesel Bomber
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,942
Received 144 Likes on 130 Posts
Default

The starting rough and not quite right untill warm is a sighn of stiction in the injectors, normally REVX will help out but if they are too bad then new injectors may be needed. You should have a power ballance test done on it while it is cold and not warmed up, 1 or 2 bad injectors will make it sound horrible, you won't have to replace all of them
 
  #3  
Old 11-25-2012, 08:08 PM
bkmac's Avatar
Diesel Enthusiast
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 217
Received 21 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

Thanks Bob

Checked the firing when it was warm and all of the clyinders were firing ok - still trying to figure out AE and how to test the injectors.

I was kinda thinking it is bad injectors - does exactly as you descibe - sounds horrible and Rev X did help it.

Still learning
 
  #4  
Old 11-26-2012, 08:32 AM
Mdub707's Avatar
BOMBARDIER
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,208
Received 630 Likes on 510 Posts
Default

I'd test the FICM before doing anything else...
 
  #5  
Old 11-26-2012, 08:51 AM
99flatbed's Avatar
Newbie
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 7
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Sounds like clogged injectors, can either clean the nozzles with a copper wire brush carefully and if that don't work the injectors are just wore out
 
  #6  
Old 11-26-2012, 09:18 AM
Mdub707's Avatar
BOMBARDIER
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,208
Received 630 Likes on 510 Posts
Default

I would never ever do that. I'm not sure how an injector pushing fuel at 28,000 psi "clogs" either...
 
  #7  
Old 11-26-2012, 10:14 AM
Karls03's Avatar
Diesel Wrench
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Fallon, NV
Posts: 996
Received 49 Likes on 47 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by 99flatbed
Sounds like clogged injectors, can either clean the nozzles with a copper wire brush carefully and if that don't work the injectors are just wore out
Once you determine which injector is at fault, you have to take it out anyway. I'd replace it because it would be a waste of labor to try that method only to find out it was an electronic issue with the injector.
 
  #8  
Old 11-26-2012, 01:08 PM
bkmac's Avatar
Diesel Enthusiast
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 217
Received 21 Likes on 17 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Mdub707
I'd test the FICM before doing anything else...
I have tested it on a number of occasions and it tests fine in all three cycles

---AutoMerged DoublePost---

Originally Posted by 99flatbed
Sounds like clogged injectors, can either clean the nozzles with a copper wire brush carefully and if that don't work the injectors are just wore out
Like Karl said - If I am going to get into it I will replace the injectors once I determine which ones, if any, are bad.

I also did a cyclinder contribution test and they were all so close it looked like a single line on the graph. Still learning AE so it may take me awhile to figure out how and what tests I should be running.
 

Last edited by bkmac; 11-26-2012 at 01:12 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
  #9  
Old 11-26-2012, 01:16 PM
Mdub707's Avatar
BOMBARDIER
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,208
Received 630 Likes on 510 Posts
Default

Cylinder contributions can be tricky, need to almost do it as soon as the truck is fired up cold in the morning as a lot of the issues seem to disappear as the truck warms up, makes it hard to track down sometimes.

It is possible for a FICM to be failing and still who 48+V as well, though not nearly as common, I have some in my garage that do this.
 
  #10  
Old 11-26-2012, 08:38 PM
99flatbed's Avatar
Newbie
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 7
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Take a crayon to the manifold and see which cylendars burn hotter those will be you're good injectors the ones that are clogged crayon will melt but not as well
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
bdbfam
Ford Powerstroke 03-07 6.0L
0
08-31-2015 09:06 PM
ctjkelley
Chevy/GMC 6.2L and 6.5L
7
06-03-2015 06:01 AM
Blanton
Diesel In Distress - Support Ticket
2
04-15-2015 06:29 PM
jordanokc
Ford Powerstroke 03-07 6.0L
6
02-08-2015 03:59 PM
cdetterer
5.9 Liter CR Dodge Cummins 03-07
15
12-08-2014 08:46 PM



Quick Reply: Like many others - hard start - rough idle



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:29 PM.