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Old 01-04-2011, 01:08 PM
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i have a 617 i think it is 5 cylinder turbocharged, most people swear by these engines so i think a good canidate for wore out 20r. if i can just find adapters!
 
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OM647 DE LA 27

Cylinders 5
Arrangement in-line
Capacity 2686cc
Bore 88.0mm
Stroke 88.4mm
Compression 18.0:1
Valves 4 per cylinder
Camshaft(s) 2
Firing Order 1-2-4-5-3
Head alloy
Block cast iron
Delivery Bosch CDI
Induction Turbo Charger
VTG-loaders
Horsepower 154hp
@3800rpm
Torque 243ft-lbs
@1600-2400rpm
115kW CDI
The OM647 is a 2.7 liter, five-cylinder "C"ommon Rail "D"iesel "I"njection (CDI), inline, and overhead valve diesel engine. This engine utilizes a cast iron cylinder block and an aluminum cylinder head. The engine is turbocharged and intercooled. This engine also has four valves per cylinder and dual overhead camshafts.
A very distinguishable aspect of the OM647 from the very similar OM612 predecessor is its intake manifold.

That would be a great engine for many swaps, except for what he wants, I think they would be costly, and then there is all the wiring. I would like the OM642 because they have a Aluminum block and only weigh 460 lbs, and come with a 7 speed tranny.
Anyway I have already been considering a Toyota swap. Either a 4 runner,or a Tacoma, and even a Rav 4. But if and when I do, I will put toyota diesels in them. Todd with Dieseltoyz in San Antonio Texas does toyota swaps for a living.
That's good info about the weight and the 7 speed. It would be an awesome swap if you were an electrical engineer. I'm not trying to be a ***** but a Toyota or any other asian vehicle would not be worthy of a great German engineered power plant such as this. Most asian vehicles are rust buckets and lack durability (disposable). They are mostly made for as cheap as possible out of inferior materials. This is my experience and opinion so take it as just that. Some have good luck with asian stuff but to me it's also about American pride.
 
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Originally Posted by pukie370
i have a 617 i think it is 5 cylinder turbocharged, most people swear by these engines so i think a good canidate for wore out 20r. if i can just find adapters!
There are a few that make adapters for the AX15 and GM 60 deg and 90 deg bells, not sure about Toyota. It isn't hard to make your own, many have for your app. I made mine and am planning another. If you have skills to do a swap, then it shouldn't be too hard to make your own adapter.
 
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:00 PM
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That's good info about the weight and the 7 speed. It would be an awesome swap if you were an electrical engineer. I'm not trying to be a ***** but a Toyota or any other asian vehicle would not be worthy of a great German engineered power plant such as this. Most asian vehicles are rust buckets and lack durability (disposable). They are mostly made for as cheap as possible out of inferior materials. This is my experience and opinion so take it as just that. Some have good luck with asian stuff but to me it's also about American pride.
I am really don't put my pride in something just because its American, But I do believe that the best high performance V8 engines are the LS series vette engines, and the Northstar engines, and the new Ford ecostar V6 with 365HP and 420 FtLb's torque is amazing. But there is no question that toyota's are well known for there dependability, especially there Diesels. And I agree that mercedes diesels are pretty awesome. The Guinness record for miles on a engine is on a OM617 123 chassis taxi in Greece, over 2 1/2 Million miles.
I personally like the idea of swapping a diesel using the same make engine when possible.
I do like the idea of a Cummins swap in a Ford though. And would like to swap the OM642 mercedes,with the seven speed in mid 90's Gwagon, they actually have been selling them in europe with that option since 2001,same engine and tranny currently in all the CDI mercedes sold here.
 
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:36 AM
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I definitely take pride in American products, I'm an American. If I was asian maybe I would take pride in asian things. If we keep buying foreign products then who do you think will have all the money and then power? Not America! This only applies to new products and not used products or vehicles!

Toyotas may run for a long time but their bodies will rust away in just a few short years! At least all the American built vehicles I've owned drive just fine and may have a little rust but nowhere near what the Toys have. All have had over 300,000 miles with only minor repairs. I have a 90 Chevy 1/2 ton right now with 358,000 on it's original clutch and it gets used and abused! It's like a Timex it keeps on ticking!
 
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Old 01-06-2011, 01:41 AM
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I take pride in american to but we dont make anything anymore which angers me! how many people here have a american tv!!and old toyotas are the only small truck that holds up to severe abuse in my neck of the woods. and if you dont belive me try and find a 1985 toy 4x4, and then fall over when you see price. so i think put great deisel engine in and i have the best of bolth worlds.
 
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I understand what you are saying and you are working with what you have or like. That's fine if you like it! I have know several people who have had Toy trucks. It's usually me pulling them thru the mud or snow cause they couldn't under their own power. I also am the one who takes them to the JY or parts store to get parts for their crapped out asian ride in my American truck. Around here people don't have a lot of money so we buy what will last and a Toy will not last compared to an American truck. Anyway good luck on your build!
 
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stop going to walmart, or buying Chinese.. thats probably the best thing we could do. And I agree when American engineering companies set there mind to making a superior products they succeed. We still make the best of many products. But the truth is everyone is going Global, Even toyota. Most vehicles, including mercedes, are multinational products. And all corporations out source manufacturing of there products. Even once top of the line Mercedes vehicles are suffering. The ford F150 is still the #1 selling truck in the world though.

I worked up in Seattlle and Alaska, and in Seattle there are very few Walmarts there because the people there know that they sell cheap Chinese stuff, and refuse to go there.
Yet here in the South we live in Walmart. When I would go to Fred Meyers in Seattle I remember that everything was more expensive but noticed more made in America Labels.













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I hate Wally World because of this but have to cause there really is no other place around here. I really don't mind paying more if it quality and American made. Like you said though most companies are international.

One thing I'll give credit to asian manufactures is Honda which is made near me in Marysville, OH. I don't like them and will never own one but the "BIG 3" can't make enough profit so they have parts made in Mexico or china and when assembled it is only maybe 51% American made. Companies like Honda build these cars by Americans in America and use more American made parts like 70% and make a real nice profit. I will give them a lot of credit when it comes to that. I wish I could buy an American made TV it would probably last 50 yrs or more!
 
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one thing Americans do well is producing lower volume special products. Like some of the fishing reel companies, Mountain bikes, custom motorcycle companies, the most bad *** electric car (Tesla), Delorian, Mac's and Apple products, etc. When we are not controlled be Corporate wienies, then we make the best Stuff in he world. Also when it is made for Military we make the best stuff. The Humvee is the most capable offroad vehicle in the world. I wish there where more custom car companies here like they have for motorcycles. I could really appreciate another company that made a 60 mpg practical diesel Hybrid car, Or maybe a awesome diesel powered offroad SUV. I guarantee you that when we start getting less opec oil and have to produce more of our own, fuel prices will go up and we will have to start making more efficient vehicles.

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Originally Posted by superduty_5.9
I hate Wally World because of this but have to cause there really is no other place around here. I really don't mind paying more if it quality and American made. Like you said though most companies are international.

One thing I'll give credit to asian manufactures is Honda which is made near me in Marysville, OH. I don't like them and will never own one but the "BIG 3" can't make enough profit so they have parts made in Mexico or china and when assembled it is only maybe 51% American made. Companies like Honda build these cars by Americans in America and use more American made parts like 70% and make a real nice profit. I will give them a lot of credit when it comes to that. I wish I could buy an American made TV it would probably last 50 yrs or more!
I lived in Blanchester Ohio from 86-89, but lived in Texas most my life.

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asfar as the question on this origanal post I would put a toyota diesel, in your truck I'm not sure about fitment of a mercedes. But here are a few websites.
Toyota Truck Diesel Conversion FAQ and Guide
for adapting to a GM bellhousing......Diesel Conversions | 4×4 Labs
Factory Toyota Diesel Engine Conversions | Proffitt's Cruisers Land Cruiser Restoration
CIS Auto Web's Diesel Land Cruisers
Diesel Repair : Toyota Diesel Conversion
http://www.jarcoinc.com/
Toyota Turbo-Diesel Swap in 4Runner - Toyota Forums :: Toyota Nation
The first one gives you sources for engines and details on a conversion.
there is also the option of a VW Diesel the company below offers a kit for samuri's but has the adapter for toyota transmissions which some people put in there Samuri's. VW diesels can be found anywhere and wiegh 300 lbs, and put out a lot of power for there displacement.
ACME ADAPTERS - Store: Engine Kits
 

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