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Old 07-26-2011, 10:59 PM
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It will be interesting to get our rigs side by side and see how they compare performance wise. You never said how you like the 700r4 behind that motor. I find the extra low 1st gear to be a real good fit with the diesel, helps off the line performance.
I agree about 1st gear, but I wish second were a little lower so it wasn't quite as big of a "jump" into second gear. Going from 3.06:1 in first to 1.67:1 in second is a BIG jump. I'd rather see second gear somewhat closer to 2:1

I'm running 4.10 axle gears and 29" tires right now, but I picked up a 4.56 rear axle for $100 the other day and I think I'll put it in to see how it does. With the same 29" tires the final drive ratio will be 11% lower, and even if I go to 31" tires it would still be about a 3% lower final drive ratio. That ought to give it a little more acceleration in 4th without quite such an early kickdown into 3rd.
 
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Old 07-28-2011, 01:36 AM
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Have you wired the lock-up to the throttle? I have and it unlocks about 3/4 throttle and "splits" the gear to give it that extra little acceleration without droping a gear.
 
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:22 PM
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Have you wired the lock-up to the throttle? I have and it unlocks about 3/4 throttle and "splits" the gear to give it that extra little acceleration without droping a gear.
No the TC lockup is totally disabled right now - or rather it hasn't been enabled yet. Haven't ever hooked it up yet. I'm just too focused on trying to kill this vibration...
 
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On mine, the valve body was setup so all I had to do was put 12v to it and it only enguages in od and disenguages @ 40mpg. I then installed a switch on the throttle linkage to break the 12v prior to down shift.
 
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On mine, the valve body was setup so all I had to do was put 12v to it and it only enguages in od and disenguages @ 40mpg. I then installed a switch on the throttle linkage to break the 12v prior to down shift.
From what I've read, all 85 & older 700R4's are set up that way. With the addition of the switch it sounds like a good system...
 

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Old 09-03-2011, 08:37 PM
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GOOD NEWS! I think my vibration issue is solved. I revised the motor mounting system by boring out the holes for the 1/2" bolts that hold the cross member mounts to the bottom of the uni-frame to 3/4" and adding rubber sleeves (pieces of 1/2" heater hose) around the shaft of the bolts where they pass through the uniframe. I also put 3/8" rubber pads under the heads of the bolts on top and 1/4" rubber pads between the motor mounts and the uni-frame on the bottom.

So, now there is no metal to metal contact anywhere - all metal parts where the crossmember mounts to the uniframe are rubber isolated. While I had the engine dropped down I also swapped the harmonic balancer - just for good measure - even though the original seemed perfectly fine. While I was at it I got rid of those lousy torx bolts that holds it to the hub and replaced them with hex key cap-screws.

Now at 750 RPMs with the uniframe still sitting on jackstands (no suspension or tire rubber to dampen things) the vibrations are about 1/3 or 1/4 of what they were before with the engine idle at 1000+ RPMs and the front wheels on the ground. I expect that when I get all 4 wheels on the ground again the vibrations will be squelched even further!

I'm one happy camper! My next step is to swap in a rear end with 4.56 gears on Monday to get more use out of the engine's torque at low RPMs. That will reduce my gearing by roughly 11%. If that works out well I have another rear end with 4.88 gears I'll swap in so I can upsize to 31" tires and still retain that 10%-11% gearing reduction. If the 4.56 gears are too much of a gearing reduction I can always leave that rear axle in and put the 31"s on anyway and that would get it back to almost where it is now. Actually that would still be a 3% gearing reduction, but that's a lot different from a 10%-11%.

Once I have the gearing/tire combo worked out it will be time to regear the front to match and shorten the front driveline to get the 4WD working....
 

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That's great news! Are you going to start driving it more now?
 
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That's great news! Are you going to start driving it more now?
YOU BET!
 
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Any trips planed down south ?
 
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Any trips planed down south ?
No immediate plans yet. I have driven it a couple of hundred miles around town and one 100 mile round trip so far, but I haven't worked my way up to a couple of hundred miles in one stretch yet.
 

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