Handgun Concealed Carry, External Saftey or No External Saftey?
#21
10-03-2010, 06:56 PM
#22
10-03-2010, 06:59 PM
If the guy had not been negligent then the gun would have never gone off... why did he pull teh trigger anyway? I'm not gonna let two jack asses that have no repect for a firearm dictate how I personaly carry my gun.
#23
10-03-2010, 06:59 PM
#24
10-03-2010, 07:04 PM
I agree and it always will be that way... no amount of saftey measures in ANYTHING will solve that. but when it comes down to my personal carry/defence weapon its there for one thing, protect me and my family and do it as fast and best as possible. Anyone that needs to rely on a mechanical saftey to keep from shooting themselves or someone else does not need a gun.
#25
10-03-2010, 07:14 PM
i think it all depends on the gun, i carry a G30, there is no replacement for the safety between your ears.
when i carry my 1911 it IS cocked-and-locked with the thumb safety, only because when i train with that gun, while going from holstered to the firing position the thumb safety is disabled with my thumb. never will i point a gun at someone or something that i intend to kill with a gun that has the safety on.
if you believe your method is superior than fine, i train my way, i carry my way and always will. i don't want to be the guy that got shot because his safety was on..... kind of like a guy that lost a drag race because he forgot to put the vehicle in gear......
if you think that your way is the only way then you have that right under the Constitution, but we also have the right to think that our way is the better way.
have fun with your gun on safety, remember that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
and about the ACCIDENTAL discharge you mentioned above..... from what i glanced at that would have been a NEGLIGENT discharge..... not accidental.....
when i carry my 1911 it IS cocked-and-locked with the thumb safety, only because when i train with that gun, while going from holstered to the firing position the thumb safety is disabled with my thumb. never will i point a gun at someone or something that i intend to kill with a gun that has the safety on.
if you believe your method is superior than fine, i train my way, i carry my way and always will. i don't want to be the guy that got shot because his safety was on..... kind of like a guy that lost a drag race because he forgot to put the vehicle in gear......
if you think that your way is the only way then you have that right under the Constitution, but we also have the right to think that our way is the better way.
have fun with your gun on safety, remember that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
and about the ACCIDENTAL discharge you mentioned above..... from what i glanced at that would have been a NEGLIGENT discharge..... not accidental.....
#26
10-03-2010, 07:23 PM
i think it all depends on the gun, i carry a G30, there is no replacement for the safety between your ears.
when i carry my 1911 it IS cocked-and-locked with the thumb safety, only because when i train with that gun, while going from holstered to the firing position the thumb safety is disabled with my thumb. never will i point a gun at someone or something that i intend to kill with a gun that has the safety on.
if you believe your method is superior than fine, i train my way, i carry my way and always will. i don't want to be the guy that got shot because his safety was on..... kind of like a guy that lost a drag race because he forgot to put the vehicle in gear......
if you think that your way is the only way then you have that right under the Constitution, but we also have the right to think that our way is the better way.
have fun with your gun on safety, remember that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
and about the ACCIDENTAL discharge you mentioned above..... from what i glanced at that would have been a NEGLIGENT discharge..... not accidental.....
when i carry my 1911 it IS cocked-and-locked with the thumb safety, only because when i train with that gun, while going from holstered to the firing position the thumb safety is disabled with my thumb. never will i point a gun at someone or something that i intend to kill with a gun that has the safety on.
if you believe your method is superior than fine, i train my way, i carry my way and always will. i don't want to be the guy that got shot because his safety was on..... kind of like a guy that lost a drag race because he forgot to put the vehicle in gear......
if you think that your way is the only way then you have that right under the Constitution, but we also have the right to think that our way is the better way.
have fun with your gun on safety, remember that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
and about the ACCIDENTAL discharge you mentioned above..... from what i glanced at that would have been a NEGLIGENT discharge..... not accidental.....
#29
10-03-2010, 08:34 PM
well i guess the thinking behind that statement is this, i'll break it down for the people that don't want to think about it.
a person BUYS a gun, the same person puts bullets in the magazine or cylinder if a revolver, the same person loads one into the chamber. the same person pulls the trigger and the gun fires a projectile from it and it strikes another human being. who is at fault? the gun because it's firing pin contacted the primer of the bullet the person loaded into the chamber? or the person for pulling the trigger of the gun they knew was loaded or didn't know was loaded because the person was negligent in their handling of the gun. depending on the gun and the person's story the gun will be at fault because the person didn't know the safety was off, (if your finger is on the trigger be prepared to shoot and assume the safety is off) the person didn't know it was loaded (that again will be the guns fault somehow because you know that everyone is perfect) or the gun had an inadequate safety, like Glock's or S&W Sigma's that have a tested and proven trigger safety that does not go off on it's own.
now look at this situation,
a person buys a computer, connects a keyboard to the computer, logs onto the inter net and starts typing. the person can see the keys, they have letters and numbers on them. the person has access to spell check and a dictionary, but they still misspell words. they want to blame it on the computer or the key board, the keys must be too small and their fat fingers are hitting more than one key.....is it the keyboards fault that the operator can not push the correct buttons?
it all boils down to the user, users that haven't been properly trained in using a keyboard will have issues using it to it's fullest extent and will blame their lack of knowledge on the keyboard.
those same principals apply to guns, when someone is not trained properly on a gun, bad things can and will happen. but do they blame themselves for not being properly trained or for not knowing how a safety works? no it is always the gun's fault.
let me insert this link about someone who blames EVERYONE but himself for his situation....
"Enrique Chavez, now 39, of Anaheim, was off-duty when he was shot on July 11, 2006, while driving his Ford Ranger ......His three year old son, who was not in a car seat, got a hold of the father's .45-caliber Glock while sitting in the back seat and shot him in the back, according to police reports.
. . .
In July 2008, he sued Glock, alleging that the gun's safety was "non-existent or ineffective."
In addition, the suit alleges negligence on the part of Uncle Mike's, the company that made the gun's holster; Turner Outdoorsman, the store where he bought the holster; and the Los Angeles Police Revolver and Athletic Club, where the officer purchased the gun."
Cop shot by son loses suit against gun maker | gun, angeles, shot - News - The Orange County Register
if you are man or woman enough to have the responsibility of carrying a gun, be man or woman enough to deal with any consequences that arrise from your training, or lack there of....
a person BUYS a gun, the same person puts bullets in the magazine or cylinder if a revolver, the same person loads one into the chamber. the same person pulls the trigger and the gun fires a projectile from it and it strikes another human being. who is at fault? the gun because it's firing pin contacted the primer of the bullet the person loaded into the chamber? or the person for pulling the trigger of the gun they knew was loaded or didn't know was loaded because the person was negligent in their handling of the gun. depending on the gun and the person's story the gun will be at fault because the person didn't know the safety was off, (if your finger is on the trigger be prepared to shoot and assume the safety is off) the person didn't know it was loaded (that again will be the guns fault somehow because you know that everyone is perfect) or the gun had an inadequate safety, like Glock's or S&W Sigma's that have a tested and proven trigger safety that does not go off on it's own.
now look at this situation,
a person buys a computer, connects a keyboard to the computer, logs onto the inter net and starts typing. the person can see the keys, they have letters and numbers on them. the person has access to spell check and a dictionary, but they still misspell words. they want to blame it on the computer or the key board, the keys must be too small and their fat fingers are hitting more than one key.....is it the keyboards fault that the operator can not push the correct buttons?
it all boils down to the user, users that haven't been properly trained in using a keyboard will have issues using it to it's fullest extent and will blame their lack of knowledge on the keyboard.
those same principals apply to guns, when someone is not trained properly on a gun, bad things can and will happen. but do they blame themselves for not being properly trained or for not knowing how a safety works? no it is always the gun's fault.
let me insert this link about someone who blames EVERYONE but himself for his situation....
"Enrique Chavez, now 39, of Anaheim, was off-duty when he was shot on July 11, 2006, while driving his Ford Ranger ......His three year old son, who was not in a car seat, got a hold of the father's .45-caliber Glock while sitting in the back seat and shot him in the back, according to police reports.
. . .
In July 2008, he sued Glock, alleging that the gun's safety was "non-existent or ineffective."
In addition, the suit alleges negligence on the part of Uncle Mike's, the company that made the gun's holster; Turner Outdoorsman, the store where he bought the holster; and the Los Angeles Police Revolver and Athletic Club, where the officer purchased the gun."
Cop shot by son loses suit against gun maker | gun, angeles, shot - News - The Orange County Register
if you are man or woman enough to have the responsibility of carrying a gun, be man or woman enough to deal with any consequences that arrise from your training, or lack there of....
