Vote no to assault weapon ban
#11
well, here's how i see it. if we give them assault rifles today, then what are they going to want tomorrow? handguns? shotguns? deer rifles? where will it stop? and it's not like they've been able to keep them away from criminals. laws like this only serve to hurt and inconvenience law abiding citizens or criminals that aren't crafty enough to find ways around the law. i have the same objections to carry permits. how many criminals bother to fill out the paper work to carry? 0. how many carry anyway? ur guess is as good as mine. do they stop the mentally impaired from carrying? nope. most states unless u have been judged mentally incompetent u can still buy a handgun. what's going to stop u from carrying it?
and this waiting 7 days to purchase a handgun gun? give me a break!! u can't buy a handgun but u can buy the semi-auto shotgun on the shelf next to it without waiting which will inflict as much if not more damage when used to hurt ppl. i just fail to see the point in laws like this.
and this waiting 7 days to purchase a handgun gun? give me a break!! u can't buy a handgun but u can buy the semi-auto shotgun on the shelf next to it without waiting which will inflict as much if not more damage when used to hurt ppl. i just fail to see the point in laws like this.
#12
That being said, I cannot for the life of me understand why a civilian needs to own an assault rifle. There are plenty of other weapons that would suffice for personal defense. AK's, AR-15's, SKS's are too easy to modify to full auto. Not really a top choice of hunters. So I don't buy the argument that they are used for hunting. Is it really a "sporting" rifle? Don't get me wrong, I have fired both an AK and a AR and they are fun. But I also enjoy shooting all my guns.
If there is something I am missing, with regards to civilian ownership of an assault rifle, I am more than willing to listen to your point. Please keep it civil.
Again, I meant no offense or disrespect. Just voicing my opinion.
Dont take this the wrong way, but you need to do a little more research. AR's are one of the TOP varmint hunting platforms.
Take your bolt action out to a dog town along side a guy shooting an AR. You will not be happy. You will be outshot many to one.
Do a google on Jim Zumbo, the EX Outdoor Life writer, and see how his comments about this cost him career.
It's all or none. There is no separation.
Just my .02.
Last edited by Ben; 04-18-2007 at 10:05 AM.
#13
#14
Fair enough.
I can't convert a bolt-action to a full auto with a 30 round clip. So, there is some difference.
I'll check that out. Thanks
Thanks for the comments, guys. This really is a great topic of discussion, especially for guns owners.
Thanks for the comments, guys. This really is a great topic of discussion, especially for guns owners.
#15
Ben, thanks for the heads-up on Zumbo. After reading several articles containing Jim's original blog post and his apology post, I now see that I also have an antiquated idea of "sporting" guns.
As I said before, I have shot both an AK and an AR and I really like the AR.
Maybe we can just find a way to prevent civilians from transforming the guns to full auto. I think that is my major concern.
Your thoughts on full auto?
This is great. Never to old to learn.
Glen
As I said before, I have shot both an AK and an AR and I really like the AR.
Maybe we can just find a way to prevent civilians from transforming the guns to full auto. I think that is my major concern.
Your thoughts on full auto?
This is great. Never to old to learn.
Glen
#16
That being said, I cannot for the life of me understand why a civilian needs to own an assault rifle. There are plenty of other weapons that would suffice for personal defense. AK's, AR-15's, SKS's are too easy to modify to full auto. Not really a top choice of hunters. So I don't buy the argument that they are used for hunting. Is it really a "sporting" rifle? Don't get me wrong, I have fired both an AK and a AR and they are fun. But I also enjoy shooting all my guns.
I dont own any guns, but am not against them. In fact, Id like to have a few hand guns, but the Government where I live makes you jump through too many hurdles to have one.
#17
Vote no to Assault weapon ban...
Didn't dig much to see if this has ben posted already, and sorry if it has, but please stand up for the freedoms and liberties in which this country were founded on and vote no to the Ban on Semi-Autoomatic Assault Weapons...
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/409898348
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Didn't dig much to see if this has ben posted already, and sorry if it has, but please stand up for the freedoms and liberties in which this country were founded on and vote no to the Ban on Semi-Autoomatic Assault Weapons...
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/409898348
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the first ribbon i won was in the USAF training school shooting a M16.
taught my 15 year old son how to shoot....we now have 3 dual pane windows with tiny pin holes in them from his use of his BB gun....
i could care less if someone thinks they need an AK for hunting purposes....what pisses me off about this thread is the timing of it.....one could not have picked a worse time to originate this crap..
#18
i've been split on automatic weapons for quite some time. in the hands of the "wrong" person their effects can be extremely devasting. i mean i really don't think anyone not carrying an automatic weapon would stand much of a chance when facing someone who is. but, are there real statistics on whether or not this ban has been proven to save lives? i mean real hard facts. or is this just another way for government to intrude on our lives and pat themselves on the back while saying " look what i did "? i don't mean to sound anti-government. i'm not. we need laws and codes by which to abide by. but at the same time i think we as a species need to dedicate ourselves to providing each other with good core values and sound decision making skills. where are the laws insuring this will be done. that we ourselves will be educated and will educate others. if these were instilled in us from the beginning and throughout our lives we'd have a lot less of a need for the other type of intrusive laws. for instance, i don't need tire pressure monitors on my truck because i was taught the importance of checking tire pressures and the consequences of not checking them. we can't even teach each other that let alone why murder, rape, and the life of a criminal is detrimental to our existance. we are coming to a point in this society where government is doing everything for us and that is very dangerous. if this trend continues, IMHO, we will some day not know why we do things. we'll just do them because we always have. and at that point we will be no better than the cattle we feed on. i realize this may be straying from the heart of the topic but i think you can all understand my point anyway.
#19
...but at the same time i think we as a species need to dedicate ourselves to providing each other with good core values and sound decision making skills... if these were instilled in us from the beginning and throughout our lives we'd have a lot less of a need for the other type of intrusive laws.
#20
Guns don't kill people, people kill people....
Guns are for killing, assault rifles are made for killing faster...they have there place, just not for hunting or self defense in your home in my opinion.
Man has been killin each other since the beginning and it will continue whether they are using rocks or atomic rockets. Take away the guns and man will find other means to kill masses of people if thats his intention. The virginia tech thing could have been pulled off just as easily with an IED like the iraqis are using against us right now. That student could have walked down the hall tossing hand grandades in each class room and actually killed alot more than 31 people.
It was his aim to kill and he would have still done it had he not had a gun.
Man has been killin each other since the beginning and it will continue whether they are using rocks or atomic rockets. Take away the guns and man will find other means to kill masses of people if thats his intention. The virginia tech thing could have been pulled off just as easily with an IED like the iraqis are using against us right now. That student could have walked down the hall tossing hand grandades in each class room and actually killed alot more than 31 people.
It was his aim to kill and he would have still done it had he not had a gun.