"The" 2 Stroke Oil Thread
#51
That might be find and great... But that product isn't sold near me at all... I'm not going to special order it every time... So what other product do you suggest...???
The only products here close to me are Power Service, Marvel Mystery Oil, and 2 Cycle Oil...
I won't use PS or MMO... so that leaves 2 Cycle oil...
You guys got to remember your products ARE NOT SOLD EVERYWHERE!!!
As for cetane enhancers ... You DON'T NEED IT! Todays fuel is high now for summer time requirement for Cummins... Cummins requires 40 Cetane in the summer and 45 Cetane in the winter. Todays fuel is 43-47 cetane... The highier the cetane the more pre-ignition you'll get... This is good for winter time but not summer time...
Take a look at the cetane report here...
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane booster not require with this fuel!
If you push your cetane too high it will cause your HP/TQ numbers to fall... But highier cetane (~45) is required for COLD WINTER MONTHS...
There is no benefit to using a higher cetane number fuel than is specified by the engine's manufacturer.The ASTM Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils (D-975) states, "The cetane number requirements depend on engine design, size, nature of speed and load variations, and on starting and atmospheric conditions. Increase in cetane number over values actually required does not materially improve engine performance. Accordingly, the cetane number specified should be as low as possible to insure maximum fuel availability." This quote underscores the importance of matching engine cetane requirements with fuel cetane number!!!
So adding cetane boosters are not going to improve the performance of the engine and/or fuel.
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane levels of fuel.
Cetane improvers modify combustion in the engine. They encourage early ignition of the fuel. They encourage premature combustion and excessive rate of pressure increase in the combustion cycle.
Look at the materials they use in most cetane boosters. Mineral Spirits, Xylene, and Naptha none of these chemicals are even close to the diesel fuel family. They also have very low flash points like gasoline! Every one of them are used for degreasing and cleaning solvents.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...DS%20Links.htm <- MSDS sheets of products
Cetane Number is a measure of the ignition quality of a diesel fuel. It is often mistaken as a measure of fuel quality. Cetane number is actually a measure of a fuel's ignition delay. This is the time period between the start of injection and start of combustion (ignition) of the fuel. In a particular diesel engine, higher cetane fuels will have shorter ignition delay periods than lower cetane fuels.
Cetane booster tend to advance the timing of ignition. Hence the ignition knock that you hear. The lower the cetane number the less ignition knock you'll hear. Also the flash point and the auto-ignition temps of the fuel is reduced greatly.
Cetane number should not be considered alone when evaluating diesel fuel quality. API gravity, BTU content, distillation range, sulfur content, stability and flash point are very important. In colder weather, cloud point and low temperature filter plugging point may be critical factors.
All of the cetane boosters on the market tend to reduce the BTU content of the fuel. Hence it reduces the MPG and the HP/TQ numbers. Sulfur content is been reduced national to 520 HFRR (<15 PPM Sulfur) which mean less lubricity of the fuel. Cetane boosters tend to de-stabilize the flash point. Go back to my Chemical definition page and look at the flash points of the different chemicals.
There is more information over at my web site...
The only products here close to me are Power Service, Marvel Mystery Oil, and 2 Cycle Oil...
I won't use PS or MMO... so that leaves 2 Cycle oil...
You guys got to remember your products ARE NOT SOLD EVERYWHERE!!!
As for cetane enhancers ... You DON'T NEED IT! Todays fuel is high now for summer time requirement for Cummins... Cummins requires 40 Cetane in the summer and 45 Cetane in the winter. Todays fuel is 43-47 cetane... The highier the cetane the more pre-ignition you'll get... This is good for winter time but not summer time...
Take a look at the cetane report here...
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane booster not require with this fuel!
If you push your cetane too high it will cause your HP/TQ numbers to fall... But highier cetane (~45) is required for COLD WINTER MONTHS...
There is no benefit to using a higher cetane number fuel than is specified by the engine's manufacturer.The ASTM Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils (D-975) states, "The cetane number requirements depend on engine design, size, nature of speed and load variations, and on starting and atmospheric conditions. Increase in cetane number over values actually required does not materially improve engine performance. Accordingly, the cetane number specified should be as low as possible to insure maximum fuel availability." This quote underscores the importance of matching engine cetane requirements with fuel cetane number!!!
So adding cetane boosters are not going to improve the performance of the engine and/or fuel.
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane levels of fuel.
Cetane improvers modify combustion in the engine. They encourage early ignition of the fuel. They encourage premature combustion and excessive rate of pressure increase in the combustion cycle.
Look at the materials they use in most cetane boosters. Mineral Spirits, Xylene, and Naptha none of these chemicals are even close to the diesel fuel family. They also have very low flash points like gasoline! Every one of them are used for degreasing and cleaning solvents.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...DS%20Links.htm <- MSDS sheets of products
Cetane Number is a measure of the ignition quality of a diesel fuel. It is often mistaken as a measure of fuel quality. Cetane number is actually a measure of a fuel's ignition delay. This is the time period between the start of injection and start of combustion (ignition) of the fuel. In a particular diesel engine, higher cetane fuels will have shorter ignition delay periods than lower cetane fuels.
Cetane booster tend to advance the timing of ignition. Hence the ignition knock that you hear. The lower the cetane number the less ignition knock you'll hear. Also the flash point and the auto-ignition temps of the fuel is reduced greatly.
Cetane number should not be considered alone when evaluating diesel fuel quality. API gravity, BTU content, distillation range, sulfur content, stability and flash point are very important. In colder weather, cloud point and low temperature filter plugging point may be critical factors.
All of the cetane boosters on the market tend to reduce the BTU content of the fuel. Hence it reduces the MPG and the HP/TQ numbers. Sulfur content is been reduced national to 520 HFRR (<15 PPM Sulfur) which mean less lubricity of the fuel. Cetane boosters tend to de-stabilize the flash point. Go back to my Chemical definition page and look at the flash points of the different chemicals.
There is more information over at my web site...
Last edited by Mopar1973Man; 08-01-2007 at 02:38 PM.
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Nitelord (02-25-2008)
#52
That might be find and great... But that product isn't sold near me at all... I'm not going to special order it every time... So what other product do you suggest...???
The only products here close to me are Power Service, Marvel Mystery Oil, and 2 Cycle Oil...
I won't use PS or MMO... so that leaves 2 Cycle oil...
You guys got to remember your products ARE NOT SOLD EVERYWHERE!!!
As for cetane enhancers ... You DON'T NEED IT! Todays fuel is high now for summer time requirement for Cummins... Cummins requires 40 Cetane in the summer and 45 Cetane in the winter. Todays fuel is 43-47 cetane... The highier the cetane the more pre-ignition you'll get... This is good for winter time but not summer time...
Take a look at the cetane report here...
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane booster not require with this fuel!
If you push your cetane too high it will cause your HP/TQ numbers to fall... But highier cetane (~45) is required for COLD WINTER MONTHS...
There is no benefit to using a higher cetane number fuel than is specified by the engine's manufacturer.The ASTM Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils (D-975) states, "The cetane number requirements depend on engine design, size, nature of speed and load variations, and on starting and atmospheric conditions. Increase in cetane number over values actually required does not materially improve engine performance. Accordingly, the cetane number specified should be as low as possible to insure maximum fuel availability." This quote underscores the importance of matching engine cetane requirements with fuel cetane number!!!
So adding cetane boosters are not going to improve the performance of the engine and/or fuel.
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane levels of fuel.
Cetane improvers modify combustion in the engine. They encourage early ignition of the fuel. They encourage premature combustion and excessive rate of pressure increase in the combustion cycle.
Look at the materials they use in most cetane boosters. Mineral Spirits, Xylene, and Naptha none of these chemicals are even close to the diesel fuel family. They also have very low flash points like gasoline! Every one of them are used for degreasing and cleaning solvents.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...DS%20Links.htm <- MSDS sheets of products
Cetane Number is a measure of the ignition quality of a diesel fuel. It is often mistaken as a measure of fuel quality. Cetane number is actually a measure of a fuel's ignition delay. This is the time period between the start of injection and start of combustion (ignition) of the fuel. In a particular diesel engine, higher cetane fuels will have shorter ignition delay periods than lower cetane fuels.
Cetane booster tend to advance the timing of ignition. Hence the ignition knock that you hear. The lower the cetane number the less ignition knock you'll hear. Also the flash point and the auto-ignition temps of the fuel is reduced greatly.
Cetane number should not be considered alone when evaluating diesel fuel quality. API gravity, BTU content, distillation range, sulfur content, stability and flash point are very important. In colder weather, cloud point and low temperature filter plugging point may be critical factors.
All of the cetane boosters on the market tend to reduce the BTU content of the fuel. Hence it reduces the MPG and the HP/TQ numbers. Sulfur content is been reduced national to 520 HFRR (<15 PPM Sulfur) which mean less lubricity of the fuel. Cetane boosters tend to de-stabilize the flash point. Go back to my Chemical definition page and look at the flash points of the different chemicals.
There is more information over at my web site...
The only products here close to me are Power Service, Marvel Mystery Oil, and 2 Cycle Oil...
I won't use PS or MMO... so that leaves 2 Cycle oil...
You guys got to remember your products ARE NOT SOLD EVERYWHERE!!!
As for cetane enhancers ... You DON'T NEED IT! Todays fuel is high now for summer time requirement for Cummins... Cummins requires 40 Cetane in the summer and 45 Cetane in the winter. Todays fuel is 43-47 cetane... The highier the cetane the more pre-ignition you'll get... This is good for winter time but not summer time...
Take a look at the cetane report here...
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane booster not require with this fuel!
If you push your cetane too high it will cause your HP/TQ numbers to fall... But highier cetane (~45) is required for COLD WINTER MONTHS...
There is no benefit to using a higher cetane number fuel than is specified by the engine's manufacturer.The ASTM Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel Oils (D-975) states, "The cetane number requirements depend on engine design, size, nature of speed and load variations, and on starting and atmospheric conditions. Increase in cetane number over values actually required does not materially improve engine performance. Accordingly, the cetane number specified should be as low as possible to insure maximum fuel availability." This quote underscores the importance of matching engine cetane requirements with fuel cetane number!!!
So adding cetane boosters are not going to improve the performance of the engine and/or fuel.
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf <- Cetane levels of fuel.
Cetane improvers modify combustion in the engine. They encourage early ignition of the fuel. They encourage premature combustion and excessive rate of pressure increase in the combustion cycle.
Look at the materials they use in most cetane boosters. Mineral Spirits, Xylene, and Naptha none of these chemicals are even close to the diesel fuel family. They also have very low flash points like gasoline! Every one of them are used for degreasing and cleaning solvents.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...DS%20Links.htm <- MSDS sheets of products
Cetane Number is a measure of the ignition quality of a diesel fuel. It is often mistaken as a measure of fuel quality. Cetane number is actually a measure of a fuel's ignition delay. This is the time period between the start of injection and start of combustion (ignition) of the fuel. In a particular diesel engine, higher cetane fuels will have shorter ignition delay periods than lower cetane fuels.
Cetane booster tend to advance the timing of ignition. Hence the ignition knock that you hear. The lower the cetane number the less ignition knock you'll hear. Also the flash point and the auto-ignition temps of the fuel is reduced greatly.
Cetane number should not be considered alone when evaluating diesel fuel quality. API gravity, BTU content, distillation range, sulfur content, stability and flash point are very important. In colder weather, cloud point and low temperature filter plugging point may be critical factors.
All of the cetane boosters on the market tend to reduce the BTU content of the fuel. Hence it reduces the MPG and the HP/TQ numbers. Sulfur content is been reduced national to 520 HFRR (<15 PPM Sulfur) which mean less lubricity of the fuel. Cetane boosters tend to de-stabilize the flash point. Go back to my Chemical definition page and look at the flash points of the different chemicals.
There is more information over at my web site...
#54
Thanks for asking, The 2WD is making good power and really quick but mods came to a hault for now, aparantly new baby and new house take priority
daily advise... "dont marry the girl who signs your paychecks" LOL joking Christie LOL
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ULSD is at every pump up here in Canada, has been for a while now! "give:
daily advise... "dont marry the girl who signs your paychecks" LOL joking Christie LOL
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Just wait... NO SULFUR DIESEL is coming!
Here is the spec sheet
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf
MSDS sheet...
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/msds_unsec...NGLISH_A_N.pdf
Here is the spec sheet
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/tds_unsecu...el_summary.pdf
MSDS sheet...
http://www.cpchem.com/enu/msds_unsec...NGLISH_A_N.pdf
ULSD is at every pump up here in Canada, has been for a while now! "give:
Last edited by BDPowerDave; 08-01-2007 at 03:34 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
#55
What happened???
Ok gang...
I've pulled it together again... I've change my web site completely. I'm now hosting it from my own computer. Then it now a CLOSED FORUM. The public cannot view my pages without being a registered user.
So if you want to continue the 2 cycle conversation my new web site address is...
http://mopar1973man.servehttp.com
the old link...
www.frontiernet.net/~mopar1973man
... has a redirect link on a page...
Come and enjoy tthe information...
I've pulled it together again... I've change my web site completely. I'm now hosting it from my own computer. Then it now a CLOSED FORUM. The public cannot view my pages without being a registered user.
So if you want to continue the 2 cycle conversation my new web site address is...
http://mopar1973man.servehttp.com
the old link...
www.frontiernet.net/~mopar1973man
... has a redirect link on a page...
Come and enjoy tthe information...
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cashwheel (08-25-2007)
#57
Here we go...
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place
For you guys that like Power Service, AMSOil, Marvel Mystery Oil, and Lucas you might want to read this!
2 Cycle is still a cheap and very good lubricant additive!
Lubricity Additive Study Results - Diesel Place
For you guys that like Power Service, AMSOil, Marvel Mystery Oil, and Lucas you might want to read this!
2 Cycle is still a cheap and very good lubricant additive!
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Nitelord (02-25-2008)
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