I have had no problems with 2 stroke don't know why you shouldn't use it in CRs. Opti-Lube scored the best for decreasing wear on the additive test done next to biodiesel of course.

Ya, I know Cummins does not recommend #1. Kind of hard to get around, or even know what you are filling with sometimes.

I think that is directed towards the dpf trucks. been running it for over a year in my dads 04 not an issue one.

why don't they recommend #1? :humm:

Yeah, I don't know why the GM guys told me not to use #1, they said to stick with whatever the GM additive is or some other thing I've never heard of... Either way, I doubt I'll switch from Howe's. That stuff is magic.

Maybe because it doesn't meet the requirement like Bosch has got...
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf

You might want a better additive...:w2:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...20oil/hfrr.jpg

i use sea foam once a month and diesel kleen with every tank up. i heart centane boosters

Thanks for that info. The slide show was a good read, albiet a little involved.

I've never used #1, but Howes diesel additive (not listed on that spreadsheet) is supposed to be good for improving lubricity, and they say it's warranty acceptable. Does two-stroke oil help prevent gelling as well as boost lubricity? Would it be acceptable to use a combination of Howe's and 2-stroke oil? The primary reason I use Howe's additive (just the normal Howe's additive) is for the cold weather anti-gelling properties. It's too bad that list doesn't have more products on it, but maybe I should switch? :humm::humm:

Well I'm into my 3rd winter now of solely running 2 cycle oil and never touched a single anti-gel, injector cleaner, or cetane booster... I've been to as low as -20*F locally and never gelled up yet...

I've got another member on SuperTech made it down to -35*F so far...

Basically what the Bosch document points at the biggest problem with fuel is lubricity. Everything else meets or exceeds the requirement for Bosch. Except for lubricity and Aromatic content (Extremely High).

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r.../boschdata.jpg

Fuel should be below 460 HFRR... As shown by the test... I'm not pushing 2 cycle oil but to use common sense and use a good fuel lubricant!

A Happy VP44 injection pump!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...P44400HFRR.jpg

Also I just remember watch the seafoam it does contain alcohol...

I use Power Service it work wonders but i wonder does any one know if the 2 cycle oil does any kind of damage or what?

Sold!:yessir:
If you've made it to -20F and beyond and never gelled up, that's good enough for me. The 2-stroke Wal Mart oil did a damn good job at improving the lubricity of the fuel. Thanks for the info.

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Dooood, read the document that Mopar1973 posted, that spreadsheet shows a bunch of info...it won't hurt the engine at all. Like with any additive, just don't go overboard and follow the correct mixture ratios.

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OK I'm confused...That Schaeffer 2000 has very similar ingredients to Howes Diesel Treat Conditioner Plus Anti-Gel. As a matter of fact, Howes has less Naptha, Trimethylbenzene, Xylene, Cumene in it and a higher flashpoint of 156F vs 124F. Wouldn't those be good attributes? :argh::humm: