Fuel Additives
 

What brands of fuel additives does everyone use and have any of you had any experiences with any of them?

I have tried bout all of em but just buy whats avail to me easiest, I mostly run Stanydyne and I always keep a jug or 2 of the 911 incase of emergengy

I use ours, no problems yet:)

I run Stanydyne but thinking about trying something else
Perfect timing on this thread since i`m down to my last 2 bottles outta my case :w2:
its always nice to see what else is available out there in case i decide to change:U:

I use Howes in my 350, JCB backhoe, and Freightliner. Never had a problem and have even seen mpg's go up by about .5 mpg on the Freightshaker.

I'm running Amsoil Diesel Concentrate with Cold Flow improver, and its made a decent difference already, even with having only used one bottle of it so far this winter. The truck has quieted down even more, and its working well. Contact Heath if you need some, I know he'll get you a great price on it.
Scott

The additives that I have used on my FORD 1999 F-250 7.3 PSD is PS & ACETONE !!! You put 2 oz of acetone per 10 gallons of diesel & you will get better MPG, BUT DON'T USE IT ON THE DPF TRUCKS, cause I don't know if they can handle it. GOOGLE it ACETONE IN DIESEL, For my 2008 FORD F-250 6.4 PSD, I don't use any additives:humm:

I'm 2 cycle oil user myself and so far my fuel system is still rolling good... VP44 is closing in on 100K miles...:U:

I was advised by the Chevy dealer guys NOT to use #1 in my D-max...anyone else been told that? Tow truck driver (Yeah I learned a hard lesson from using STP non-winter specific additive in -10F) told me he runs up to 50% #1 when the temp dips down to -20F. I started using Howes and haven't had an issue now in 2000+mi of -10F to 32F driving. The STP s*** I bought before because I couldn't find any good stuff and that ended up badly...

X2 it's been workin pretty good for me. but i hear you're not supposed to run it in common rails and newer

I have had no problems with 2 stroke don't know why you shouldn't use it in CRs. Opti-Lube scored the best for decreasing wear on the additive test done next to biodiesel of course.

Ya, I know Cummins does not recommend #1. Kind of hard to get around, or even know what you are filling with sometimes.

I think that is directed towards the dpf trucks. been running it for over a year in my dads 04 not an issue one.

why don't they recommend #1? :humm:

Yeah, I don't know why the GM guys told me not to use #1, they said to stick with whatever the GM additive is or some other thing I've never heard of... Either way, I doubt I'll switch from Howe's. That stuff is magic.

Maybe because it doesn't meet the requirement like Bosch has got...
http://mopar.mopar1973man.com/pdf/022003bosch.pdf

You might want a better additive...:w2:
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...20oil/hfrr.jpg

i use sea foam once a month and diesel kleen with every tank up. i heart centane boosters

Thanks for that info. The slide show was a good read, albiet a little involved.

I've never used #1, but Howes diesel additive (not listed on that spreadsheet) is supposed to be good for improving lubricity, and they say it's warranty acceptable. Does two-stroke oil help prevent gelling as well as boost lubricity? Would it be acceptable to use a combination of Howe's and 2-stroke oil? The primary reason I use Howe's additive (just the normal Howe's additive) is for the cold weather anti-gelling properties. It's too bad that list doesn't have more products on it, but maybe I should switch? :humm::humm:

Well I'm into my 3rd winter now of solely running 2 cycle oil and never touched a single anti-gel, injector cleaner, or cetane booster... I've been to as low as -20*F locally and never gelled up yet...

I've got another member on SuperTech made it down to -35*F so far...

Basically what the Bosch document points at the biggest problem with fuel is lubricity. Everything else meets or exceeds the requirement for Bosch. Except for lubricity and Aromatic content (Extremely High).

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r.../boschdata.jpg

Fuel should be below 460 HFRR... As shown by the test... I'm not pushing 2 cycle oil but to use common sense and use a good fuel lubricant!

A Happy VP44 injection pump!
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...P44400HFRR.jpg

Also I just remember watch the seafoam it does contain alcohol...

I use Power Service it work wonders but i wonder does any one know if the 2 cycle oil does any kind of damage or what?

Sold!:yessir:
If you've made it to -20F and beyond and never gelled up, that's good enough for me. The 2-stroke Wal Mart oil did a damn good job at improving the lubricity of the fuel. Thanks for the info.

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Dooood, read the document that Mopar1973 posted, that spreadsheet shows a bunch of info...it won't hurt the engine at all. Like with any additive, just don't go overboard and follow the correct mixture ratios.

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OK I'm confused...That Schaeffer 2000 has very similar ingredients to Howes Diesel Treat Conditioner Plus Anti-Gel. As a matter of fact, Howes has less Naptha, Trimethylbenzene, Xylene, Cumene in it and a higher flashpoint of 156F vs 124F. Wouldn't those be good attributes? :argh::humm:

Ok... Give you an idea of some of these chemicals...

Naptha - (Coleman stove fuel, Zippo lighter fluid)
Naphtha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...65-480x640.jpg

Xylene - (Paint thinner)
Xylene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...67-480x640.jpg

Naphthalene - (Moth Balls)
Naphthalene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r.../mothballs.jpg

Benzene - (Cancer causing agent)
Benzene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One thing you left out of your post is that the fuel you buy is all ready winterized and that most likely has more to do with you not gelling up then the 2 cycle oil you add!

X3, the Walmart 2 cycle works great in my '06 PSD.

there's to many opinions out there for me on 2 stroke in a CR right now some i'm just sticking to regular old #2 or B5 from now on, until someone can provide evidence that 2 stroke is Ok to run in a CR I'll think about running it, but til then it's just gonna get fuel w/o addatives and it gets really cold here in MT -30ish sometimes but I have some PS911 just in case

Freel2.com - View topic - 2-stroke oil and diesel

This is the best I can do so far for 2-stroke evidence. If the europeans are doing it in new model Mercedes, that might say something.

2 stroke is usually good to -40

agreed, that is an interesting topic but most of their fuel also contains a mixture of biodiesel which has a higher rating of lubricity anyway, so is adding 2 stroke to that fuel the same as adding it to regular #2 or not?

Winter 07-08 I used 2 stroke and PS for the first half of cold weather. Then got rid of the PS and started using Howes Diesel Treat with the 2 stroke and never had a sputter all winter I would add some #1 if it was going to go below -10, never more than 25%). This year I stopped using the 2 stroke and have been relying on Howes by itself. I tried Amsoil cold flow improver with straight #2 when it got down to the low negative teens and I couldn't get over 1500 RPM until I put in some Howes and let it run for a half hour. Not bashing, Amsoil just didn't work for me. Now I have been using 25% #1 and howes with no problems. I'll have to go back to the straight #2 and Howe's with 2 stroke at next fill up to see if it works like last year.

how much do you put in to a tank and what about runnin it in a 7.3?

How big is your tank?

Id say throw a litre or two of 2 stroke in every fillup.




Welcome BTW :c: :c:

Try some Acetone and 1 quart Turpentine for Cetane.

i think its a 39 gallon tank idk i aint burnt but a tank threw it when i bought it they filled it up for me when i bought the truck

Amsoil diesel concentrate and diesel concentrate with cold flow improver in the colder months. Also amsoil cetane boost with every tank.

i tried the 2 cycle oil today and it worked wonders

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Right on brutha! Welcome to the club. :c:

Yes 2 stroke is good no carbon.I use 3 oz. acetone per 10 gals to give 2 mpg more.I use turpenting to raise Cetane, and burn 100% fuel (no smoke).

We keep Powerservice 911 on hand just in case but use Howes every fillup in the winter and every other fill up in other season.

Did you notice a difference that fast?? how long did it take 10- 15 min? what did you notice? i'm thinkin about runnin 2 stroke in my 6.0 and seeing if it helps anything... I put in a bottle of power service diesel supplement in my last fill up and that seemed to help a little bit. but i'm wondering about the 2 stroke oil.

Suggestions please??
Thanks fellas!!

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Oh and how much did you add cotton?... sorry...

Additives
 

As far as fuel additives, I was taught in school by techs in the heavy duty diesel industry not to use any!! My instructors laugh and say, "what a waste of money", I'm on east cost where weather conditions vary, but they say fuel companies already put what is needed in the fuels according to your location. Then again we learn on million mile engines, not our little pickup hot rods!! LOL :rocking: My father isn't much of a believer and never ran any additives, now I bought his truck has 91,000 miles 24v and runs t*ts!! Past 2 years I have been using PS. (Power Service), and I NEVER had any problems, minor mpg increase with summer blend only!! During cold seasons it is a giving your mpg will decrease b.c of the cetain levels in fuel. Some fleet services example. Uhaul it is a must in fuel additives. What I think it comes down to is personal preference. We did some minor test at school E.C.T.I and seems that all additives did was decrease mpg by raising cetain levels. :argh:

DonnyK,

I was told today that heavy duty diesel engines are not HPCR so that lack of lube from ULSD will not affect heavy duty diesel injectors like it does to our high pressure injectors we have in our 5.9L engine. Whats your thoughts true or not?