Shaving The Timing Advance Piston
 

Any thoughts? Should get a larger range of advance, alowing you to run a lower "set" timing and have more advance...

technically it could work but i wouldnt know how to determine when you've gone too far. it may end negating itself as the pin may end up binding in the cam plate

I like the idea if it worked. I don't mind advanced timing on the upper rpm end but low revs.:td:

why shave the piston when you can add travel to it.

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how much advance will it give (what range of advance)

what a guy got what we all need!!

Ok, I'm listening. Where, when, how much? Install directions?

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goes on the ksb system, available now, $105 shipped. directions included.

under 30 minutes to install, and adds 1 MM of timing.

SOLD! hahaha... would you be able to get your hands on the spring and sweeten the deal? i get paid friday. i'll get in touch with you bud and we can further discuss this as business shouldnt be discussed in the threads :w2:

1 mm, thats a fair amount isn't it? So it just allows timing to come in as the rpm's ( case pressure ) increase? What is the mm advance of a stock set up at full advance?

it doenst change how the dynamic timing works just how far it can go.

i dont know what the stock setup is, i will check it tomarrow.

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do we get a discount if we are running your fuel pin.. :pca1:

Save on shipping if you buy both at the same time.

lol.. i already got the fuel pin... lol... .untile january... ill just kick back.. and watch the results..:pca1:
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On a totally stock (timing wise pump) how many degrees advance will this give?

:s: Kind of confused about the timing spacer thing. At first I thought it was a spacer for the cover plate on the timing device, where the timing device spring sits, which made sence to me because it would make the piston travel further. But Alwaysworking says it goes on the KSB. So, can someone give a quick explanation of what exactly this little baby does? Thanks.

i'm sure you're correct; but it modifies the function of the KSB so, it may be described better that way

So, does this do the same thing as advancing the pump an 1/8"?

in theroy it does.

you gain topend power when bumping the timing an 1/8th but lose low end, when you put in the spacer, you can keep the low end grunt of stock timeing but still gain the upper rpm power do to the dynamic advance.

I dont know how to convert the MM into degrees yet

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Cool. I want one. A stock pump (timing wise) normally, advances to a maximum angle of 12*, right?

So with this part my base (static) timing will stay the same but the total (dynamic) advanced timing will increase?

Stock the VE engines have 1.25mm of plunger lift at TDC, thats about 12.5* base timing and get to 21*-22* total advance (depending on who you listen too), With your spacer your saying that its good for 1mm of timing (i'm assuming you are talking about plunger lift), so on an otherwise stock truck with the stock 12.5* base timing what total advance will you spacer allow someone to see?

according to the math you have posted it would transfer into 31*-32*

So with this we are looking at keeping our stock timing set so we will keep our low end grunt, but allowing the motor to advance more like bumping the pump.

So, how does this 1mm of timing compare to the 1/8 inch bump? Is it turning out overall to be the same degree?

so where do you install the spacer i got lost somewere allong the way, and it saounds like it would work much better then the 1/8" pump bump.

So its good for an aditional 10* of advance?

january is almost here....:jump: but untile then :pca1: ill just watch and learn.
so lets see if i am on the rite page here?
with the spacer . and pump at stock settings.. you will get 10* of timming on the back side of the rpm. and you will have the sameole bottem side?
so if i was to add the spacer and go back to my 1/8 timming bump. wiill i be in the 20* of timming.. or close to 30* has these been used any. any dyno charts. of what it will do in hp?rswords. you need to get one.. and let us know.. eather way it will be something to play with.. and alwayworking.. do you have a set of instruction with pics . that you can post on here.. we can kinda get an ideA of where it goes and how hard it will be,, will it be a 6 pck.. or a case. or a keg..

Well, the way I see it is, say, 21* is the dynamic timing advance on a stock pump @ 1.25mm of plunger lift. This spacer adds 1mm to that. totaling 2.25mm of plunger lift. That is 55.5555% increase. I don't think you will gain a full 55% increase in timing but, close, in theory. Probably about what Alwaysworking said, 31* 0r 32*

As soon as my intercooler sells I will be ordering one of these and doing a full write up on it. HOPEFULLY I will get some dyno time in.

How long is the install?

:D 30 minutes. Man, I want one.

remove the ksb, put in the spring shim under the existing shim, slip in the spacer with the new o-rings and bolt it back up.

takes about 15 minutes once you find all your tools.

looks like i'll be in line for one after this monday...(i finish paying off my fuel pins from always working monday)

will be putting one of my pumps on a pump tester to see the gains we can get.

i will run it with stock dynamic timing then with one timing spacer then with both spacers.

they said they can tell me how much timing at what rpm and fuel cc's.

Sounds Good, Those are the numbers we are looking for!!!

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The ksb is only on when its cold right? so will this only work if the ksb is hot wired and on all the time?