5.9L CR Performance Discussion of 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with Common Rail Injection Related To Performance And Longevity

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Old 06-10-2010, 12:31 AM
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well my trucks are both 2nd gen's and thats what works well for them. Yours is 3rd gen and smarty just rock on them. You have to be able to smog your truck still living in cali so custom tuned computer will not pass the obdII test. Local guys that take pride in their work. In feb of 09 I started out with a mild truck just a turbo upgrade and injectors a year and 4 months later built trans, compounds and 665hp shooting for a 700hp vp truck on fuel only
 
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I've run both the Edge And Smarty independently and stacked. It's apples and oranges. The Smarty is low end grunt but did nothin for top end speed and the Comp was only top end speed.

So which one is right for you depends on what you use your truck for. In your case if climbing the mountain passes is your problem the Smarty will fix that right up.
 
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sorry but there is no way to custom tune a diesel Dodge ECM...the new Smarty Super Revo is close, and there is supposed to be EFI Live released for them sometime soon...
 
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by cmns2500
sorry but there is no way to custom tune a diesel Dodge ECM...the new Smarty Super Revo is close, and there is supposed to be EFI Live released for them sometime soon...
No disrespect. But if it were not possible to custom tune a Dodge Ram How is smarty able to flash an ECM? It is better to have the software to tweek the original perimeters, so that the sensors read correctly for operation of vehicle without throwing codes. Then you have the blending process For optimal performance and economy this is where you put the power-plant through 10 min of hell, on the dino and the street. It has to work properly from idle, optimal, and WOT. I can go on and on. But I would bore most of you with lambda numbers. and most of you all are intelligent to all-ready know this stuff. I am still trying to learn the basics but no one is teaching. like Brice said. Somebody is keeping it to themselves, and are afraid that we will steal food from their family. Highly understandable! If I was given the chance I would be highly loyal to them!
 
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Old 06-11-2010, 01:25 AM
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well when i said "custom tuning", i meant somethin similar to EFI live, where you buy the hardware(tuner) and tuning software and you can make the engine do whatever the hell you want whenever the hell you want it to...the Smarty is somewhat customizable, and the Smarty Super Revo is even more customizable...and supposedly EFI Live will be released sometime soon which will be as custom as you want...it's just a total bitch to crack the Dodge ECM..the last tuning company that did, TST, wound up w/ a huge lawsuit from Daimler Chrysler
 
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Old 06-11-2010, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cmns2500
well when i said "custom tuning", i meant somethin similar to EFI live, where you buy the hardware(tuner) and tuning software and you can make the engine do whatever the hell you want whenever the hell you want it to...the Smarty is somewhat customizable, and the Smarty Super Revo is even more customizable...and supposedly EFI Live will be released sometime soon which will be as custom as you want...it's just a total bitch to crack the Dodge ECM..the last tuning company that did, TST, wound up w/ a huge lawsuit from Daimler Chrysler

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Old 06-11-2010, 09:30 PM
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If they can tweek a Stock Mapping software for the new Hemi Challenger, Viper, Prowler and neon. It can be done for the Cummins Ram. End of Story.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Bubba
I've run both the Edge And Smarty independently and stacked. It's apples and oranges. The Smarty is low end grunt but did nothin for top end speed and the Comp was only top end speed.

So which one is right for you depends on what you use your truck for. In your case if climbing the mountain passes is your problem the Smarty will fix that right up.
Thanks for the advice. that really helps
To the rest of you all, Don't Jump my case through the PMs For asking advice or info on Software mapping a Ram. If I knew What I was talking about I would not be asking or reading these posts. Some of you people need to get a grip. Bolt on power, and quick tunning is obviously not always the best thing for reliable working power. Not saying that the chips, Smart boxes or Flash tuning is bad. It is a mater of opinion in the seeking of Excellent, Reliable, Diesel Performance.
 

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If I had the money to do it my power of choice would be a new cam to start things off. As far as for the longevity of the vehicle and the gains made it always seemed like the best option.
 
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Originally Posted by Uncle Bubba
If I had the money to do it my power of choice would be a new cam to start things off. As far as for the longevity of the vehicle and the gains made it always seemed like the best option.
Cam is an excellent start and your correct! to all the Cummins and general diesel newbies you still have to calibrate for the changes if it is controlled by an ECM. then there is the matter of possibly changing the piston dome for the advancement in injection timing. (something most first gen owners neglect). Any time there is a change Cummins had a power package for any upgrades in their more heavy duty power-plants (The Big Ones) The original CPL# would dictate the change and a new CPL# that would be Affixed to the power-plant. If you did a cam, it would suffice provided the injection cycle did not change. Once the injection cycle is changed, a new set of pistons would be needed provided that you did not do a major advancement in timing. If you use injectors that put out more CCs of fuel you would have to account for proper atomization, thus; you would have to create more pressure. Big orifices on the injector tips is not always good. some times smaller holes and more of them work well, provided that the spray pattern does not have cross stream problems. then back to the piston, cam, heads, and valves. after everything is said and done you have to calibrate your ECM. The map sensor has to understand that the new flow of air is now normal. The new cam sensor has to understand the changes in relation to the crank. if your able to correctly dial in these new changes and calibrate the sensors to read normal. then do the blending process. we might be able to keep from melting pistons from the added EGTs. EGTs come from improper upgrades, improper upgrade pairing or improper tuning software, chips,, ETC with the new parts.
 
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Old 06-13-2010, 03:07 AM
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I forgot to mention improper timing results in high EGTs.
 

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