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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 12:45 AM
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Ok, im gonna be buying a '96 or '97 dually and i want to set it up for towing.

Heres what im looking for:

400-425 rwhp is the goal

: what turbo will work at this hp, keeping egts low while not takin forever to spool up [ive been told piers modified hx40], what about a super b?

: what injectors do i need?

:fuel plate?

:timing?

:clutch?

I need to know how to take a bone stock truck to probably 400 rwhp from start to finish, walk me though it, as i dont know too much about 12valve performance stuff

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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 12:49 AM
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Also, stock straight thru, 4", or 5" exhaust? Want good flow, and loud dont bother me.
 
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 11:17 AM
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-piers modified HX40 would be decent, but a varient of the S300 or a small set of twins would be better

-injectors you could go for marine 370s but they will get a little tosty for towing, look to industrial injection, piers, or one of the other injector companys about what you want out of it

-fuel plate, a #10 will be a good plate, a #100 would be good too but might get a little hot on the top end

-timing go to 15.5 or 16 degrees

-clutch go to south bend call them up tell them what you want and they will honestly tell you what you need probably a con OFE or con FE those are both 13" upgrades

-on the exhaust you will want probably a 5 inch, you could do 4 but making close to 500hp your going to want the 5

-also with this power your probably going to look towards head studs and o-rings to keep your lid on

-also you will want to get either a 3gsk or 4gsk to use your power all the way through your powerband

anything else just lemme know
 
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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is the s300 similar to the bd super b?
 
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 02:58 PM
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i'd go with an HTT HTBG 57 (~$1,050) or a 71 series Super Stock 62 (~$1,670)... both require an HX-40 style downpipe do figure in 160-180 extra for that.... i run the 71 series 64/14 the 14 keeps it perty cool on the egt side..... mainly it depends on how deep your wallet is..... a 4kgsk is a must... don't worry about the valve springs as you'll never turn that beast over 3200 rpm anyway it's just nice to have it fuel hard up to that point..... i don't have any first hand experience with injectors and deliveryvalves as i haven't installed mine yet so i can't comment there.... my 64 is harder than my HX to spool... but i'm still on my stock fuel system (stock pump, deliveryvalves, injectors) but i run plateless... i :q: could :q: peg my 1600 pyro with the stock turbo.... i just didn't do it but a couple of times........ i'd rather let me foot control EGT's than a plate..... JMHO
 

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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 04:45 PM
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My wallet isnt all that deep, im looking to make the most safe HP for around $2000 total. I can do all of the work myself, so labor prices dont need to be included. I didnt even realize you could run em w/o a plate. Also, how hard is it to grind your own plate? Id rather grind my own than buy a new one and put the extra $ into somethin else.

So, can i get this kind of safe HP for $2k? If not, how much can i get for that kind of money?
 
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wyoranch
My wallet isnt all that deep, im looking to make the most safe HP for around $2000 total. I can do all of the work myself, so labor prices dont need to be included. I didnt even realize you could run em w/o a plate. Also, how hard is it to grind your own plate? Id rather grind my own than buy a new one and put the extra $ into somethin else.

So, can i get this kind of safe HP for $2k? If not, how much can i get for that kind of money?
i'd look into the 57 and a dp...you :q:can:q: run plateless...most guys frown on it as if you have some rack travel mods then there is a risk of pump damage..... there is a thread somewhere of P-pump tweeks that is real informative.... it's not hard to grind your plate.... just search on here as there is a thread already talking about fuel plates...... any if there is anything else you want to know pm me or post it up here.....
 
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 05:07 PM
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Sorry, like i said, im new to 12 valve stuff, but, what is a dp?
 
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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 05:10 PM
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down pipe
 
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Old Mar 26, 2007 | 05:19 PM
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What about 3 piece manifolds? I have been told by some i need one and by others i dont. If the factory one cracks, ill definately replace it w/a 3 piece, but do i need one if the factory one is fine?
 
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