5.9L 24V Performance Discussion of 24 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with VP44 Injection Pumps Related To Performance And Longevity

New box coming out for 24vs 98 to 01

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Old 02-20-2011, 08:12 PM
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OH no! Now we have a Stage 2 MONSTER! The time for the VP is NOW!!!


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Old 02-20-2011, 08:16 PM
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What ever happened with the monster pumps??? I only saw a few dyno runs and haven't heard anything else? I dropped off the forums for a while so I may have missed it. I've been spending more time online recently... I've been at home with the new baby all week and I'm getting stir crazy! Had to post derogatory messages !!!!
 
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Old 02-20-2011, 08:35 PM
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I noticed.

Some worked some didn't. The ones that worked seemed to be pretty good. IIs Dragon Fire pump is pretty much the same way. There was a lot of talk about them when they first came out but you don't hear much about them lately. Makes me think they aren't that great. No horsepower records from either as far as I know.
 
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Old 02-20-2011, 08:41 PM
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You know Gus posted those first numbers but never followed up with any further numbers that I know of. I've heard folks say that there's people making huge power but I've yet to see any dyno proven numbers.
I'll just say no fast truck has anything on a Happy healthy beautiful baby girl! I might build another one some day but right now my little girl is my life!
Originally Posted by kazairl
I noticed.

Some worked some didn't. The ones that worked seemed to be pretty good. IIs Dragon Fire pump is pretty much the same way. There was a lot of talk about them when they first came out but you don't hear much about them lately. Makes me think they aren't that great. No horsepower records from either as far as I know.
 
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Old 02-20-2011, 08:59 PM
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You have a little girl? Why didn't you say something before now! Oh...

So far as I know Adam Winslett is the only one that broke 1k(proven) and I know he didn't use a Monster or repeat the feat. I'd have thought there would be news about it if he did.
 
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Old 02-20-2011, 09:02 PM
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It's cheaper to P-pump a 24v than buy the monster pumps.
 
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Old 02-20-2011, 09:09 PM
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Yeppers born Last monday valentines day at 4:34am, and I dont honestly think I've slept since... You hear people talk about how amazing it is, but you just cant understand till you have one!

Far cheaper to P-Pump....Just like every other vp-44 monsters were a scam to make you pay more money for something you didnt need, instead now the monsters they can say " No warranty" you break, you buy new one....no refunds!!!!! You know....bosch should call it their "city Pump" (for those wondering
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Old 02-20-2011, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kazairl
Oh I think there is a box. I just doubt it is better than anything we already have.

But then Dukey has been saying how awesome it is going to be for 2 years now so I don't know. Don't really care.
2 YEARS? I've only known Christoph for like 4 YEARS, but now the more I think about it, I gues it really has been about 2 YEARS since he's been hangin around TST. Dang, I guess time passes quick when you have a girlfriend nagging your every minute.
 
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Headcase98002
2 YEARS? I've only known Christoph for like 4 YEARS, but now the more I think about it, I gues it really has been about 2 YEARS since he's been hangin around TST. Dang, I guess time passes quick when you have a girlfriend nagging your every minute.
Agreed Casey, I didnt realize its been that long either, holy crap.

But yes, TST is actually working on this box, Ill gladly show it to anyone locally, heck i dont care.

why its not on any other forums is pretty simple, why, because this not a priority project for TST nor is it something thats being advertised as of right now and I'm the only one testing it for Mark and since I choose not to post on the other forums, thats probably why its not on any other forums. Call BS on it if you want, Ill gladly show it to anyone granted i just have the test board not the fancy packaged ones yet.

And yes the VP is limited mechanically, thats nothing new nor has anyone said otherwise. Its just that Mark says hes come up with a different way to exploit those limits in a different fashion. So far, it seems to be working. I wouldnt call the VP market dead, as these trucks age and rack up mileage, they become cheaper in price and more people gain access to them. Some of those people may want to start turning up their trucks some or improve their mileage. I wouldnt call the VP market dead, slowing yes, dead no

Now as for the time delay i have no clue, Mark told me that the box was targeted for release by Dec 7th, that didnt happen due to issues that we have since solved, as for whats continuing to hold it up, I do not know.
 

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Old 02-20-2011, 11:12 PM
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Okay, so we're not saying more power we're saying a cleaner tune which could in turn lead a more efficient combustion process and allowing for better mileage? The tuning ability with the VP44 is honestly pushed if you ask me. Why do i say that? Tuners looked at ever PID the ECM could use to better control fuel and combustion. the reality of the "Pop" style injection system is that there is no control. We can change pop pressures but the system in it's self is pretty much locked in, It pumps fuel, It opens the injectors, and combustion begins. Which is the main reason everyone went CR, We can incorporate multiple sprays out of each injector allowing for complete control of the combustion event.

I guess what im getting at is every aspect of VP tuning has been explored in depth with no change. The pump moves fuel at pressure and opens the injectors. We can control timing and fuel amounts (up to the amount of fuel the pump can mechanically handle) but thats about it.

I just dont understand how a company cant find it feasible to continue research in technology thats in all honesty dead. The pump was a stand in until further developments were made in emission control to meet new regulations. From what I've found it was never designed for a "truck" application.

These are my opinions based on what I've learned , I'm more than open to hearing others thoughts on the subject
 


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