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Stock lift pump with Edge programmer?

Old Jul 24, 2009 | 08:49 PM
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I'm new to diesels and just bought a 01' HO with six speed but want to get more power and economy without hurting the reliability of my truck. I like the safety features i've heard the edge juice w/ attitude has, and know I won't get the full potential out of my stock lift pump, but im not going to be driving around roasting the tires everywhere.
I've been told the stock lift pump is junk, I'm sure im going to replace it at some point but wouldn't it make sense to get the edge juice programmer and replace my stock pump when it starts going out? I know it could mean damage to my injector pump but if I monitor fuel pressure I should notice my lift pump going out right?
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Old Jul 24, 2009 | 09:13 PM
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In theory your right but what if your 500 miles from home and the thing goes out then what?? I would get an airdog or FASS the first thing and then a guage to monitor the fuel pressure anything under 10psi is walking on thin ice...7 psi and you might as well start saving for a new IP
 
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Old Jul 24, 2009 | 11:08 PM
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Definitely fix the fuel supply issues first off. Even at stock HP this system is only barely adequate and hard on the Injector pump. You will extend it's life by supplying the extra fuel to it right away. If you start with the Fueling box you will trash that pump real quick.

We've all heard it a thousand times, "I just want the little extra power. I'm not even gonna tap the pump wire". We all said it but as soon as that box was hooked up and we got a taste of it you can't help but want more. It's part of bein a man, you can't stop it.

So start at the beginning and fix your fueling first and get a fuel pressure guage mounted that you can see at all times while your driving. My preference for this is the MITUSA belt driven lift pump myself. But the only 3 choices on the market are the Air Dog, FASS and MITUSA, anything other then one of these three and it's just a temporary and not reliable fix.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 01:16 AM
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here is how it worked for me. I got the edge juice with attitude hooked up and had 4 psi at idle... 3 month old lift pump with new fuel filter... so being frugal I installed a holley blue as I had 1 I bought for my nova that was sold... it ran 9 months then died... got a new one it went 3 months... finally got a fass and it's been on for over a year and 25k on it not one issue. You can get the edge but you will need a lift pump..
 
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 03:32 AM
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There is nothing wrong with getting a box first. Just set the alarm for 8psi and back out when it goes off.

But you will need a pump someday.

Back in the day the hot setup was a relocated stock pump, a Comp and some 100HP sticks and that was considered WILD power back then! Stock pumps were supplying over 400HP trucks every day.

So, do what you feel is right and go from there!

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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 09:18 AM
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Thanks guys,
I've heard Raptor pumps are the same as an Air dog without the extras. Is this true? Anyone have experience with Raptor pumps?
 
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 11:45 AM
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I drove for 6 years with a comp box set on 4x4 with a stock lift pump,just a couple months ago in december it started to let go I just turned it off until I decided what I wanting to do with the truck.My buddy has a raptor on his 01 that we installed a year ago a liitle loud but it work fine wot is 13 psi,you already have a good and easy to get to fuel filter on the truck use it (stock).
 
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by boone003
I'm new to diesels and just bought a 01' HO with six speed but want to get more power and economy without hurting the reliability of my truck. I like the safety features i've heard the edge juice w/ attitude has, and know I won't get the full potential out of my stock lift pump, but im not going to be driving around roasting the tires everywhere.
I've been told the stock lift pump is junk, I'm sure im going to replace it at some point but wouldn't it make sense to get the edge juice programmer and replace my stock pump when it starts going out? I know it could mean damage to my injector pump but if I monitor fuel pressure I should notice my lift pump going out right?
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i tired this myself back in 07, got the edge juice, put it on, at 10 psi at idle, even with the box not tapped into the pump and the stock level, as soon as i started moving, it dropped fast, by the time i was running 30 mph, i was down to 2 psi and at 60, 0 psi., put a brand new stock replacement pump on it, brough the idle pressure up to 12, but again as soon as i started moving, it started dropping, thing last two weeks on the stock level, got a fass, 85k miles later, im running 18 psi at idle, 15 at full throttle and im making twice as much power now. Dont be cheap like me, do it right the first time, itll cost you more in the long run if you dont.
 
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 02:44 PM
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Is there a major noise difference between stock lift pump and an air dog 100? What about noise levels in the air dog 100 vs raptor 100?
 
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Old Jul 25, 2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by boone003
Thanks guys,
I've heard Raptor pumps are the same as an Air dog without the extras. Is this true? Anyone have experience with Raptor pumps?
Raptor is made by the same company that makes the Airdog. The difference is one has filters, one doesn't.

We do far more installs of units without filters than with!

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