5.9L 12V Performance Discussion of 12 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with P7100 Injection Pumps Related to Performance and Longevity

#0 vs Plate less DIFFERENCES???

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Old May 4, 2011 | 07:57 AM
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Better way.... Race track with a scale
 
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Old May 4, 2011 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by EasternAggie
Best way to guess rear wheel hp on these trucks?...... DYNO
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Better way.... Race track with a scale
x2 on the track times

for what its worth, just got done helping a friend out with his truck. 180hp ppump no plate with a 62 mm charger went 12.48 @ 107 !/4 mile 7k truck with driver.
 
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Old May 4, 2011 | 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostnwalmart
Better way.... Race track with a scale
Thanks I had forgot about that

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x2 on the track times

for what its worth, just got done helping a friend out with his truck. 180hp ppump no plate with a 62 mm charger went 12.48 @ 107 1/4 mile 7k truck with driver.
Was that all the mods, just plate MIA and a turbo? I would think it should take a little over 500hp to get you in the 12's with that much weight.....
 
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Old May 4, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by EasternAggie
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Was that all the mods, just plate MIA and a turbo? I would think it should take a little over 500hp to get you in the 12's with that much weight.....
normal pump tweeks, injectors, 62mm turbo, and a built auto. calc says 592 rwhp to do it
 
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Old May 4, 2011 | 08:12 PM
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Well if it isnt Dave! Havent seen ya around here or CompD in awhile. AND for a side note, if I were you I would take the plate out, do the afc mods along with tuning it and you will be golden.
 
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Old May 4, 2011 | 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 94 12valve
normal pump tweeks, injectors, 62mm turbo, and a built auto. calc says 592 rwhp to do it
Dang thats crazy I dont see how. With 5x.014's I wouldnt think that would even bring you above the 500 mark

Id like to know what he did!
 
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Old May 5, 2011 | 01:34 AM
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EasternAggie is on the right track if you ask me. There are to many variables to be guessing horsepower with these trucks. Fuel mileage is also all at your right foot. the plate has nothing to do with it.
If the plate has nothing to do with fuel mileage, why do people want plates that give some power, but keep fuel mileage. Are plate choices just given for power preferences and to keep reliability??
 
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Old May 5, 2011 | 04:25 AM
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If the plate has nothing to do with fuel mileage, why do people want plates that give some power, but keep fuel mileage. Are plate choices just given for power preferences and to keep reliability??
I think so. As far as I know, the pump should only give as much fuel as your foot is sending it, with the max being determined by the plate. With two different plates, one aggressive and one mild at a set rpm/speed, and under the same load, they would burn the same amount of fuel. Now if you have it floored at are at max boost, the aggressive plate will inject much more fuel than the other, and thats where you see mileage drops/gains.

That last paragraph was all guesswork, but it makes sense to me. Anybody feel free to correct me
 
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Old May 5, 2011 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by EasternAggie
I think so. As far as I know, the pump should only give as much fuel as your foot is sending it, with the max being determined by the plate. With two different plates, one aggressive and one mild at a set rpm/speed, and under the same load, they would burn the same amount of fuel. Now if you have it floored at are at max boost, the aggressive plate will inject much more fuel than the other, and thats where you see mileage drops/gains.

That last paragraph was all guesswork, but it makes sense to me. Anybody feel free to correct me

That does make a lot of sense. But getting back to a #0 plate and running plateless, how different is it? Does running without a plate dump to much fuel in the pump not being beneficiary, and just wasting good fuel? It would seem that have a #0 plate is a big road block for mass fuel to be dumped, But im not to knowledgeable on the flow of fuel through the pump to make a correct statement.

I understand to that the EGTs would be lower with a plate compared to without. Is the #0 more efficient still giving the pump max flow without over fueling it to much?
 
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Old May 5, 2011 | 05:10 PM
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Like was said before, running plateless is the same as running a #0 full forward.
 
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