5.9L 12V Performance Discussion of 12 Valve 5.9 Liter Dodge Cummins Diesels with P7100 Injection Pumps Related to Performance and Longevity

24 valve head on a 12 valve block.

Old Apr 13, 2010 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by shortbusdriver
a 24v head does not flow more in all cases
How can you say that? Only if you spend money porting, going OS on valves and/or camming a 12v is it going to flow more than a 24v on the same boost.
 
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 09:06 PM
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ever think about why they put runners on high hp engines?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 10:12 PM
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They put runners on because the intake is milled off the head to port the intake side better. What is your point?
 
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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 10:40 PM
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that is not the reason they put runners on.

Look how the ports are on a 24v vs a 12v.

http://www.zzcustomfabrication.com/head_porting_08.html
 

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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 08:26 AM
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They need runners because the intake is milled off.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 08:30 AM
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i swore i thought i read somewhere the 24v head only flows a few cfms over the 12v head, not worth the time or money swapping
 
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 12valvetater
They need runners because the intake is milled off.
There are many intake manifolds that dont have runners.

They need runners to separate the ports to prevent "distortion" between the cylinders. 24v ports share two valves so they will not flow as much in high performance applications.
 

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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 09:49 AM
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When you mill the intake off you need them either way.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by dan33klein
i swore i thought i read somewhere the 24v head only flows a few cfms over the 12v head, not worth the time or money swapping
Yup that's true. In stock form they are pretty "close" to each other.
 
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Old Apr 14, 2010 | 01:09 PM
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Maybe not worth the money because of the expense, but that's a lot of personal opinion on what money is worth. I dont have the money, but others might.

Milling the intake off, porting and making new intake manifolds is serious work. I can make my lawnmower head flow more than a 24v with enough work and money.

If the same is done to a 24v head, do they still flow more than a 12v?

85_305 is partially correct. When dealing with forced induction, flow is not always a big deal and can be easily overcome by more boost. Still, the more efficient an engine is, the more power it will always make. The same setup with only one better flowing part in the system will make more power.
 
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