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Old 10-06-2009, 11:31 AM
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what do i ave to do to get my 215 pump to not retard timing in higher rpms and how much will it cost
 
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:18 PM
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the timing should be set it souldnt move have u set your timing
 
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:53 PM
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The 215 Pump Retards at rack travel above 19mm.
At 19MM it retards 3deg and at 21 it retards 4deg IIRC.

Also, If I remember correctly Smokem stated a while back you can make 700RWHP or more with 18MM of rack travel
 
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Old 10-06-2009, 05:33 PM
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you can make it so that it dont retard the timing it involves replacing the plungers i think with flat tops? ask 94 12valve he has a 913 pump that dont retard the timing i think
 
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Old 10-06-2009, 05:37 PM
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Barrel and plungers,depending on what ones you have installed,could cost anywhere from $700-1000 just themselves and thats not counting the time the pump man spends with your pump on the stand tuning it.Changing them is not a job for the backyard mechanic as once they are done the pump needs to be set and rebalanced....andy
 
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If the truck is tuned correctly, With the correct parts combination there shouldnt be a need to eliminate the feature. As long as rack travel stays below say 17MM. Is that close to correct andy?
 
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:00 AM
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Timing starts to retard just after 13mm.
 
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Old 10-07-2009, 11:15 AM
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so if you advance the timing to 16.5* then the retarding part should make no difference then or do you retard the timing when you have it set? i read before but i cant remember which thread it was on and i tend to forget alot of things
 
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Old 10-07-2009, 12:29 PM
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Let's make this simple, using a starting point of 15° static advance;

13mm - 15°
14mm - 14.5°
15mm - 14°
16mm - 13.5°
17mm - 13°
18mm - 12.5°
19mm - 12°
20mm - 11.5°
21mm - 11°
 
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Originally Posted by 12valvetater
you can make it so that it dont retard the timing it involves replacing the plungers i think with flat tops? ask 94 12valve he has a 913 pump that dont retard the timing i think
yes I have flat top plungers in mine
 


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