while not dissagreeing with you hammer,imho a relitevely stock manual should out pull a stock auto.case and point i drive oskosh 7-tons for the marine corps,they are outfitted with allison trannys and when loaded down with a trailler and 6 pods of rockets they suck any semi loaded down could walk off and leave us like were in reverse.

 

i would have to agree with hunter, my stock nv4500 with performance clutch outpulls my budys 95 fully built auto with a full built suncost auto, i can get up to speed way faster with lower EGTs and lower smoke

 

Your buddy then does NOT know how to drive!...

You will never tell anyone and make them believe it,that a NV4500 equipped with a good clutch will ever out accelerate/outperform a full billet/or built automatic from a dead stop.The built automatic will hand you your azz every time unless the owner is afraid to mash the loud pedal and keep it mashed....I can not even believe you would make such a foolish statement......

 

either way wether on is faster than the other the 4500 is still gonna be more reliable. there are way to many things to go wrong in an auto, includeing heat issues, line pressures and internal passages getting stopped up and the like. But on to the original post.... if you wanted more power to tow with your stuff with that particular truck i would go twins and a #100 plate to smooth things out.

 

I wonder if an afc would help in the towing department?

as far as the auto vs stick fight ... my tow rig is an 06 AUTO stock auto at that

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how fun is it to stop 30k?

 

it aint bad when the trailer brakes actualy work

 

hahaha that is the REAL question. I have a CDL and I learned to jam gears in the Canadian Rockies. In Canada we can haul more weight than you Americans too, 88,000lbs on a regular tandem trailer, compared to your 80,000 and 102,500lbs on a tridom trailer. Also in Alberta we have whats called a Rocky Mountain Double, two full length 53' trailers. we can haul just over 133,000lbs (the max on road weight allowed without special permits).

it takes like 6 to 10 seconds for the brakes at the back to start to actuate after the no go pedal gets pushed.

 

there aint much needed to know about driving an auto, most autos have a brake pedle and a throttle, you normal push the throttle to make the truck go, push it more and it goes faster

 

thats cool, hit the jake brake much on them hills ?... but your not doin this in a pick up truck that was my point. 30k on the trailer with a 7k truck I would think this would be a pain to stop.

 

when i was hauling that much wieght all the time i had both axles equiped with trailer brakes and a pacbrake exhaust break, control the gears and your good to go