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Old 08-02-2009, 05:12 AM
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NOW on to the fuel system since I have decided im just going to run a fuel cell inside my front weight box im building......I'm thinking about the A2000 Aeromotive pump because everything is there, the return port, pressure port, adjustable internal regulator and the pump all in one and the price isnt bad, i just have to check and see if it will work with diesel though, its got -10 fittings also, the filter will just be a single F/S unit from Perma-Cool with 3/4 inch pipe fittings, and all Jeg's -10 Push-Loc hose will be used, the -8 Push-Loc is for the return to the cell......I'll have about 800 in everything (less most likely).......and that includes 140 for a 5 gallon aluminum fuel cell.......The -10 polished fittings im using are 14-17 bucks a piece......Think that should work out pretty well for a 2.6 pulling truck????

ONE 15315 - 5 Gallon JEGS Aluminum Fuel Cell 140.00

ONE 771-88864 - Perma-Cool Fuel Filter 43.00

ONE 027-11202 - Aeromotive A2000 Fuel Pump 346.00

ONE 555-102234 - JEGS Push-Loc Hose -10 25Ft. 80.00

ONE 555-102220 - JEGS Push-Loc Hose -8 5Ft. 15.00

TWO 555-82038 - JEGS Stainless Steel Cushion Clamps 20.00

VARIOUS FITTINGS AND MISCELLANEOUS PARTS 150.00
 
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:12 AM
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No, the fuel pump in question is set at 12psi from the factory and maxed out at 26psi on the flow chart. No where near the 40+ psi needed for a 12v
 
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Old 08-02-2009, 10:30 AM
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Most pulling associations that run a 2.6 class mandate use of the factory fuel tank and no front weight boxes.The first thing I would do is research the class and the associations rules which you may want to pull with before going to this expense.It will make your aftermarket fuel system choice alot clearer.

I know that all my local rules which most of the pulling associations here run and NADM do not allow a 2.6 truck to run any hanging weight or front mounted fuel systems at all.Most all of the 2.6 and 2.8 classes mandate use of the factory fuel tank and do not even allow for a fuel cell in the bed,let alone mounted on the front bumper.

As for what pump to run....
Thats easy....AirDog II DF-165
It will handle what you want to accomplish with alot less hassles.
 
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Old 08-04-2009, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Red_Rattler
No, the fuel pump in question is set at 12psi from the factory and maxed out at 26psi on the flow chart. No where near the 40+ psi needed for a 12v
Originally Posted by Hammer
Most pulling associations that run a 2.6 class mandate use of the factory fuel tank and no front weight boxes.The first thing I would do is research the class and the associations rules which you may want to pull with before going to this expense.It will make your aftermarket fuel system choice alot clearer.

I know that all my local rules which most of the pulling associations here run and NADM do not allow a 2.6 truck to run any hanging weight or front mounted fuel systems at all.Most all of the 2.6 and 2.8 classes mandate use of the factory fuel tank and do not even allow for a fuel cell in the bed,let alone mounted on the front bumper.

As for what pump to run....
Thats easy....AirDog II DF-165
It will handle what you want to accomplish with alot less hassles.
I was looking around on their site and found the maps, I am going to just use the A1000 with the matched external regulator......though its going to cost me about 150 more to run this system......oh well, its just money i guess

NADM allows hanging weights in the 2.6, i got a copy of the rules right here in front of me, most classes allow hanging weight in the 2.6 (atleast any good association does)......and there is nothing in the NADM 2.6 rules that say you cant run a fuel cell or have it up front.......and there is also nothing about having a weight box.....the only thing they will nail me on is the batteries......but if they believe that the batteries are going to give me that much of an advantage i WANT them to disqualify me.....cause that means their trucks suck so bad that they cant keep up anyways and i dont want to pull with them if they suck that bad.......


Designations: 2.6 SD
Weight: 8000 lbs. Maximum, with driver.
REGULATIONS:
Ballast: Ballast is permitted. Hanging weights may not extend more than 60 inches from the
centerline of the front axle.

Batteries: The batteries must be securely mounted. They may not be located in the driver
compartment or forward of the radiator core support.
Body: The body must be an OEM truck body, including the full bed floor. The body must retain
full sheet metal. Metal aftermarket hoods are permitted. Fiberglass is prohibited. The hood must
be closed and securely latched while the vehicle is hooked to the sled. The complete OEM
firewall and complete OEM floor pan is mandatory
Brakes: Four-wheel hydraulic brakes are mandatory.
Chassis: The OEM chassis is mandatory. The engine must be in the OEM location for the body
used. The vehicle must retain the full OEM chassis. Wheel tubs, back-half conversions, tube
chassis, etc., are prohibited.
Cooling System: Radiators must be in the vicinity of the stock location and be of at least stock
size.
Credentials: All drivers must have a valid state drivers license.
Driveline: An OEM transmission and transfer case is mandatory. They must have been an option
on a one-ton or smaller pickup.
Driver Restraint System: The OEM restraint system is mandatory and must be worn.
Driveshaft Loops: All trucks must have at least six inch wide u-joint shields around the rear ujoint
constructed of at least _ inch steel or 3/8 inch aluminum that will safely contain the u-joint
and the end of the rear shaft. All shields must be securely mounted to the vehicle. Any front shaft
u-joint that is visible from the side of the truck must be shielded to contain the u-joint and the end
of the shaft. A new puller will be granted a
one-time waiver of this requirement.
Engine: The engine block must have been available as a factory option on a one-ton or smaller
pickup truck. Blocks must circulate coolant freely. Water pumps must be present, but may be
powered electrically The use of concrete or other block fillers is prohibited. All factory beltdriven
accessories, excluding the air conditioning compressor, must be retained and powered via
the crankshaft by a standard serpentine or ‘V’ belt. Electric fans are permitted. Aftermarket
radiator assemblies are permitted, but must be securely mounted in the same general area as the
OEM unit. NITROUS OXIDE is prohibited along with other oxygen extenders and the use
of PROPANE is also prohibited. All system components MUST be removed from the truck.
Exhaust: All vehicles must be equipped to direct exhaust upward. The exhaust must exit
rearward of the driver’s compartment. Stacks exiting through the hood or fender-well
are prohibited. Two 3/8 inch diameter bolts must be installed through the exhaust pipe in a cross
pattern within one inch of each other as close to the turbo as is practical.
Fire Extinguisher System: A fire extinguisher system is permitted. It must be securely mounted.
Fuel: The fuel must be pump #1/#2 diesel only. Soy/Bio-diesel fuel is permitted. Off-road diesel
fuel is prohibited.
Fuel Injection Pump: The fuel injection pump is limited to a stock-appearing, OEM engine
make-specific pump only. Dual high-pressure common-rail fuel pumps or HPOPs are permitted.
The P7100 injection pump, if equipped, must utilize a stock-appearing governor.

Harmonic Balancer: All engines turning 4500 RPM and higher must be equipped with a
harmonic balancer or damper meeting SFI Spec 18.1.

Hitch: The hitch must be a receiver-style hitch; reinforcements are permitted. Reinforcements
must not extend forward of the centerline of the rear axle. Trick hitches are prohibited. The
hooking point must be the rear-most point on the vehicle
and must be rearward of the stock location of the tailgate. The hitch must be horizontal to the
ground and stationary in all directions. Bumpers may be notched or removed. The hitch’s height
from the ground may not exceed 26 inches on 4wd units and 30 inches on 2wd units. The
hooking point must have a minimum 3.750-inch inside diameter opening for the sled hook.
The hooking point will be measured to the center of the clevis loop.
Interior: A complete interior, including dashboard, door panels, headliner, etc., is mandatory.
Two matching front seats are mandatory. Aftermarket seats are permitted; they must be fully
upholstered. All factory controls (lights, signals, horn, windows,
wipers, etc.) must be retained and be operative. The use of hand-throttle controls are
prohibited.
Rear End: Non-OEM rear-end housings are prohibited. The rear end must have been an option
on a one-ton or smaller pick up. Rear axle bolts must be covered by a cap or shield.
Steering: The vehicle must retain the full, original OEM steering gear. The vehicle must retain
the original OEM power steering assistance, if it was so equipped. Additional stabilizers are
permitted. Non-OEM power assist methods are prohibited.
Street Equipment: Complete headlight and taillight assemblies (all) are mandatory and must be
operative. Complete OEM windshield and windows are mandatory. Windows must be operative
per factory specifications; that is, they must open and close via OEM electrical or mechanical
means.
Suspension, Front: The factory suspension configuration must be retained. The upper mounting
point for strut assemblies must be in the factory location. Adjustable caster/camber pillow ball
mounts are permitted. The lower control arm may be strengthened provided factory-mounting
points to chassis are maintained. The lower mounting point for the strut assembly may be
modified for improved caster or camber.
Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, and limit straps are permitted. Traction bars and
devices are permitted. The final decision rests with the NADM Technical Department.
Suspension, Rear: An OEM-style suspension is mandatory. Traction bars and devices are
permitted; they must be bolt on only; welds are permitted for attachment to frame or axle
housing. Control arms may be strengthened or replaced, provided all original mounting points are
retained. Strut tower braces, lower tie bars, sway bars, limit straps, and camber kits are permitted.
The rear suspension may be bolted solid to eliminate travel. All rear suspensions must use at
least one working shock absorber per wheel.
Tires: The tires must be DOT street tires. Cut tires are prohibited.
Tow Vehicles: Tow vehicles are prohibited.
Transfer Case: Non-OEM transfer cases are prohibited. It must have been an option on a one-ton
or smaller pick up truck.
Transmission, Automatic: Non-OEM transmissions are prohibited. Aftermarket torque
converters, valve bodies and internal components are permitted. Transmission brakes
are prohibited. Any non-OEM floor-mounted automatic transmission shifter must be equipped
with a spring-loaded positive reverse lockout device to prevent the shifter from
accidentally being put into reverse gear. A functional neutral safety switch is mandatory. All
transmission lines must be metallic or high-pressure-type hose. All vehicles with
engines running 4500 RPM or more and using an automatic transmission must be equipped
with a transmission shield meeting SFI Spec 4.1 and must be labeled accordingly. A
blanket-type shield is permitted; it must be appropriately labeled as meeting SFI Spec 4.1

and it must extend from the rear of the block to the front of tail housing with a minimum six-inch
overlap where it is fastened. All non-blanket-type
shields must incorporate two (or one, per manufacturers instructions) 3/4 inch by 1/8 inch straps
that bolt to the shield on each side and pass under the transmission pan unless the transmission
pan is labeled as meeting SFI Spec 4.1. All vehicles with engines running 4500 RPM or more
and using an automatic transmission must be equipped with a flex plate meeting SFI Spec
29.1 and be covered by a flex plate shield meeting SFI Spec 30.1.
 
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:38 AM
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hack up a junkyard truck and take the radiator core support and mount it on the front of the weight box...
 
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Old 08-04-2009, 11:51 AM
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I know in the NADM rule book they also say that for the 2.6 and 2.8 classes that the OEM fuel tank use is mandatory.

Somehow you would make a good mark for Gene to toss out with the attitude your displaying already.Also of note I have also checked all of the sanctioning bodies that pull in my state and the also all require a OEM fuel tank and batteries mounted in the factory location.As I have said before,most all of the 2.6/2.8 rules are the same with the only differences being that some allow front hanging weights and some do not.

Also of note...
There ARE many strong running 2.6 trucks that run NADM and if you think they are junk then you may just get a lesson.That is IF you do not get your azz tossed before you ever pull.Its a shame that you consider those who know and are abiding by the rules set forth by the NADM "Junk trucks" just because you want to use your version of the rules.

Please by all means let me know where or what NADM show your going to debut at as I will sit there in Tech and bring my camera to video your temper tantrum when Gene tosses you out.Guys like you crack me up.
 
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Originally Posted by Hammer
I know in the NADM rule book they also say that for the 2.6 and 2.8 classes that the OEM fuel tank use is mandatory.

Somehow you would make a good mark for Gene to toss out with the attitude your displaying already.Also of note I have also checked all of the sanctioning bodies that pull in my state and the also all require a OEM fuel tank and batteries mounted in the factory location.As I have said before,most all of the 2.6/2.8 rules are the same with the only differences being that some allow front hanging weights and some do not.

Also of note...
There ARE many strong running 2.6 trucks that run NADM and if you think they are junk then you may just get a lesson.That is IF you do not get your azz tossed before you ever pull.Its a shame that you consider those who know and are abiding by the rules set forth by the NADM "Junk trucks" just because you want to use your version of the rules.

Please by all means let me know where or what NADM show your going to debut at as I will sit there in Tech and bring my camera to video your temper tantrum when Gene tosses you out.Guys like you crack me up.
...and wings are for pussies.
 
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...and wings are for pussies
Guess Who and Where?????

And I DO agree....Wings ARE for Pussies....LOL
 
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I like wings.... I just ate some tonight!
 
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Originally Posted by Hammer
I know in the NADM rule book they also say that for the 2.6 and 2.8 classes that the OEM fuel tank use is mandatory.

Somehow you would make a good mark for Gene to toss out with the attitude your displaying already.Also of note I have also checked all of the sanctioning bodies that pull in my state and the also all require a OEM fuel tank and batteries mounted in the factory location.As I have said before,most all of the 2.6/2.8 rules are the same with the only differences being that some allow front hanging weights and some do not.

Also of note...
There ARE many strong running 2.6 trucks that run NADM and if you think they are junk then you may just get a lesson.That is IF you do not get your azz tossed before you ever pull.Its a shame that you consider those who know and are abiding by the rules set forth by the NADM "Junk trucks" just because you want to use your version of the rules.

Please by all means let me know where or what NADM show your going to debut at as I will sit there in Tech and bring my camera to video your temper tantrum when Gene tosses you out.Guys like you crack me up.
Show me where.....i just posted it.....i also got a copy in PDF form on my computer directly from NADM's website, where do you think i copy and pasted those from....you show me where the 2.6/2.8 rules say you must run a OEM tank, cause the only thing they list for anything to do with the fuel system i highlighted in my above post......and im not using my version of the rules, im doing exactly what the rules dont cover, and if you drive a race car like i'm assuming you do then I know your no different......i worked at a dirt track for 4 years, why do you think i question the rules like i do......cause of people like you and dan trying to slip "grey" stuff past the tech inspectors.......

and yes i know how well the trucks run, a friend of mine won the 2008 NADM 2.6 series points, and the Central Ohio series as well......
 


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