Global warming my A**
Diesel Enthusiast
Joined: Oct 2010
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From: Kempton, Indiana
No one with a first, 2nd gen can say they don't have smoke with power. I have seen newer electronic trucks with high power and little to no smoke. These trucks will smoke if tuned up. Its just the way it is. Anyone who has a hopped up first gen with big injectors and some fuel that says my truck don't smoke is not telling the truth. Some do smoke more then others, some smoke more then they need to ( bad afc settings ), but they all smoke. Most people that posted " smoke is stupid " better go and take their trucks back to stock.
The reason i say that is i just dont think smoke is a big deal. I could have power with smoke or power with no smoke. Doesnt bother me in the slightest.
Diesel Enthusiast
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 234
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From: Pittsburg ILL
Come on guys you can't have a mechanical IP all cranked up for power without black smoke, you can tune the afc as Richie said to minumize it but it's still gona be there.
The ( kids ) with a vp44 or common rail with tunners that turn-um to the highest setting and blow around town trying to look (COOL) are the ones that do the most harm to the diesel sport.
because they don't use any restraint or common sence when deciding when and where to blow thick smoke.
Yes I have done it on occation, and still do, but you gotta use a little brain.
Just my opinion.
The ( kids ) with a vp44 or common rail with tunners that turn-um to the highest setting and blow around town trying to look (COOL) are the ones that do the most harm to the diesel sport.
because they don't use any restraint or common sence when deciding when and where to blow thick smoke.
Yes I have done it on occation, and still do, but you gotta use a little brain.
Just my opinion.
No one with a first, 2nd gen can say they don't have smoke with power. I have seen newer electronic trucks with high power and little to no smoke. These trucks will smoke if tuned up. Its just the way it is. Anyone who has a hopped up first gen with big injectors and some fuel that says my truck don't smoke is not telling the truth. Some do smoke more then others, some smoke more then they need to ( bad afc settings ), but they all smoke. Most people that posted " smoke is stupid " better go and take their trucks back to stock.
Diesel Enthusiast
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 267
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From: New England
Ritchie, I don't think any of us saying wanton 'use' of smoke is saying no smoke is possible with our trucks. All we're saying is that smoke used recklessly is not a good thing. And I think you agree with that, no? We're not saying that it's bad, period. We're saying that sitting at an intersection and smoking it out or leaving a big old cloud in front of another vehicle while they're driving is stupid and dangerous, and makes us all look bad.
Diesel Enthusiast
Joined: Mar 2011
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From: swampeast mo
more explaning is needed for some of the nubes
Come on guys you can't have a mechanical IP all cranked up for power without black smoke
These right here are the two statements that got me wonderin where I'm screwed up. So is smoke bad or is it good. Am I a nube or just confused. I don't even know what I am now. I think I'll have another cold drink and ponder this for a while
Rocky
Come on guys you can't have a mechanical IP all cranked up for power without black smoke
These right here are the two statements that got me wonderin where I'm screwed up. So is smoke bad or is it good. Am I a nube or just confused. I don't even know what I am now. I think I'll have another cold drink and ponder this for a while
Rocky
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Joined: Nov 2010
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From: Colorado
My old '93 didn't smoke when I got it but as soon as we messed with the pump she'd smoke alot if I put my foot in it so for smoke control I used the following....It's called common sense and your right foot.
I have 0 problem with smoke at the track or if a guy is pulling a heavy load but the dicks that smoke out everything everywhere and all the how do I make smoke threads get old.
I have 0 problem with smoke at the track or if a guy is pulling a heavy load but the dicks that smoke out everything everywhere and all the how do I make smoke threads get old.
Alright, lets see if we can't compress some of this into a semblance of order.
We're taking a lot of conversation to get this point across. And I think that most if not all the posters agree on this.
I haven't seen a post that say's this in this particular thread, but I'm not reading every other forum out there either.
This^^^ is what we're talking about. 
I dunno, seems like we've gotten WAY off topic.
Apologies to the OP, and apologies to those of you who either disagree or got lost along the way. Bottom line is, SMOKE IS NOT BAD!!!!! And sometimes, on rare occasions, smoke can be your friend. 
Big clouds of black smoke = a lot of wasted and incompletely burnt diesel fuel...
That folks, is fact. It's a byproduct of our mechanically injected fixed timing trucks, and there's no escaping it, but it's still true.
...If the fuel is not completely combusted, you didn't get every BTU out of the fuel that you could have, so you're not fully harnessing that fuels potential to make power...
Also a fact.
...Now, you might well be thinking, 'Wait a minute. I see pulling trucks and tractors and even that picture of BC's outstanding vehicle wafting big ol' clouds. What gives?' Well, most all of those engines have essentially fixed timing. That means that the engine only has so much time in order to burn all that fuel. And as we all know, more fuel = more power, (along with various other things.)...
Basically what RichieO is saying with his posts.
...Clean stacks and tailpipes = an engine running efficiently. i.e. using all the calorific value the diesel has to offer. OR it means nasty DPF's and choking emissions equipment.
Also true.
That folks, is fact. It's a byproduct of our mechanically injected fixed timing trucks, and there's no escaping it, but it's still true.
...If the fuel is not completely combusted, you didn't get every BTU out of the fuel that you could have, so you're not fully harnessing that fuels potential to make power...
Also a fact.
...Now, you might well be thinking, 'Wait a minute. I see pulling trucks and tractors and even that picture of BC's outstanding vehicle wafting big ol' clouds. What gives?' Well, most all of those engines have essentially fixed timing. That means that the engine only has so much time in order to burn all that fuel. And as we all know, more fuel = more power, (along with various other things.)...
Basically what RichieO is saying with his posts.
...Clean stacks and tailpipes = an engine running efficiently. i.e. using all the calorific value the diesel has to offer. OR it means nasty DPF's and choking emissions equipment.
Also true.
... smoke used recklessly is not a good thing... We're not saying that it's bad, period. We're saying that sitting at an intersection and smoking it out or leaving a big old cloud in front of another vehicle while they're driving is stupid and dangerous, and makes us all look bad.
...but there are these threads everywhere saying " you don't need smoke to make power " and that is not the truth. I have seen a few trucks that can make super power with little smoke, but those are spray happy trucks. 99% of the time a mechanical truck thats pill'ed up smokes.
I dunno, seems like we've gotten WAY off topic.
Apologies to the OP, and apologies to those of you who either disagree or got lost along the way. Bottom line is, SMOKE IS NOT BAD!!!!! And sometimes, on rare occasions, smoke can be your friend.
Diesel Fan
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 66
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From: Gallipolis, Ohio
As far as fixed timing goes...
one of the benefits of the VE is dynamic timing.
That being said, no you can't make a lot of power with a mechanically injected truck and have no smoke unless you spray it. I've tried to tune my truck to be very drivable and not kill everyone behind me, but you know what...it will still smoke if you lug it or mash the pedal to the floor.
When ignorant people say something to me about it, I just tell them if they can tune a VE to make more power than me with no smoke, I'll pay them to tune mine.
The thing that gets to me is seeing the kid that just got his drivers license hammering on his truck and smoking everyone around and its not even fast. If your truck is going to smoke it at least needs to have some *****.
one of the benefits of the VE is dynamic timing.
That being said, no you can't make a lot of power with a mechanically injected truck and have no smoke unless you spray it. I've tried to tune my truck to be very drivable and not kill everyone behind me, but you know what...it will still smoke if you lug it or mash the pedal to the floor.
When ignorant people say something to me about it, I just tell them if they can tune a VE to make more power than me with no smoke, I'll pay them to tune mine.
The thing that gets to me is seeing the kid that just got his drivers license hammering on his truck and smoking everyone around and its not even fast.
If your truck is going to smoke it at least needs to have some *****.
Diesel Enthusiast
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 415
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From: Keller, TX
Would it help in the penance department if a horizontal plume were referred to as an air-turd?
Funny/embarrassing story: had some go-fast work done to mine while I was out of the country 11years ago. Was on its maiden voyage, and finally was at the head of the line at a red light.
Light went green, and I got my first opportunity for a WOT departure.
The poor gal to the right and behind was instantly engulfed in temporary SPF-100
Henceforth, I reserved "the treatment" for jerkoffs that needed it.
Funny/embarrassing story: had some go-fast work done to mine while I was out of the country 11years ago. Was on its maiden voyage, and finally was at the head of the line at a red light.
Light went green, and I got my first opportunity for a WOT departure.
The poor gal to the right and behind was instantly engulfed in temporary SPF-100
Henceforth, I reserved "the treatment" for jerkoffs that needed it.
